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Originally Posted by Kalibah
First off it IS A religius conflict.
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I never said it wasn't a religious conflict. I disputed your assertion that they are trying to impose their religious beliefs on others as the implied primary reason for the conflict. I put it to you that they are not seeking converts, but are simply engaging in genocide and ethnic cleansing, and that they are using religious differences as an excuse.
Do you honestly believe that if the hundreds of thousand of displaced persons had
a) all been given the chance to convert
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b) had done so
...that the janjaweed would have simply packed their bags and ridden off?
No, I don't think they would. The killing would have continued.
Feel free to check the report by the internationally recognized and respected organization
Human Rights Watch at
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/sudan0504/
It's title alone should give you an idea.
DARFUR DESTROYED - Ethnic Cleansing by Government and Militia Forces in Western Sudan
Allow me to go further by quoting a particular sentence from the summary.
"The Janjaweed militias, Muslim like the African groups they attack, have destroyed mosques, killed Muslim religious leaders, and desecrated Qorans belonging to their enemies." In other words, it's more to do with the government trying to put down and destroy a rebellious province than it is to do with creating muslim converts.
Of course, it's always possible that HRW is wrong and you are right.
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So yes to them, they are invaded.
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The facts remain that the conflict is within one sovereign nation. No other nation was invaded. Again, I only pointed out the contradiction in your original statement. Whether you feel yourself entitled to speak for all the hundreds of thousands of people affected has no relevance. This is a "domestic affair" (unpleasant as that phrase is), up and until the affect it is having on neighbouring countries due to the refugee crisis.
No "invasions" occurred.
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Dont give me that crap about open your mind.
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Touchy, touchy. First of all I didn't curse at you, so I ask the same respect from you. Perhaps in vain, but that won't stop me asking.
Secondly, I never said
I had an open mind (though I like to think I do - certainly I don't curse at strangers on the internet). The comment was made because you simply said, and I quote,
"[What The Fuck] is there in Sudan?" and
"its a vast wasteland ( from the pictures ive seen) its a third world country. No infastructure.".
In other words, open your mind to the fact that the lack of infrastructure has nothing to do with the value people place upon living there. And that, "the pictures you see" of it may not show the entire area in question. I've seen pictures of the terrible refugee camps in Darfur, but also the very fertile and quite picturesque areas from which many of the people were displaced. The point is, a few pictures on TV or in magazines don't tell the whole story.
That's what I meant by opening your mind.
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So when villages are being burned, people killed, and everyone is fleeing- it isnt a Wasteland???
Its already a desert- people lived there. When they are gone- yes its a wasteland. That region- was wasnt refering to the country- I was refering to the region
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Let me quote you again.
" its a vast wasteland ( from the pictures ive seen) its a third world country. No infastructure.".
It doesn't sound like you're referring to the region at all. Indeed, you specifically say "its [sic] a third world country."
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What would you call it? I suppose a warzone might be better fitting- but essentially its the same thing
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Yes. Perhaps warzone would have been more appropriate.
Mr Mephisto