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Originally posted by james t kirk
Same old tired western victim crap.
Blame the eastern banks, the eastern railway, blah blah blah. Blame everyone but yourself. "We sell you leather for 4 dollars a hide and you sell us shoes for $5.00 a pair"
To that i respond - "Well, have you ever worked in a shoe factory"?
No-one sucks anything from you. You make your own life, stop blaming others for your problems.
My father doesn't own the royal bank, nor do i, nor does anyone i know. The whole big bad ontario thing is not reality. I have never collected a dime of assistance from anyone in my fucking life. I have been working since i was 15 years old, blah blah blah.
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Uh...sorry to tell you this but my reasons for wanting to seperate from the east aren't the same as those given by either the CCF or Social Credit to validate their proposed economic systems. My arguement is with the government itself...
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I know and work with several people from the west, and Nova Scotia too, who have come to toronto for reason or another and have come to realize that there is no grand plot; that people are people are people and no-one in the east "has it in" for anyone in the west, or elsewhere.
You need to live here to appreciate that.
I was actually born and raised in Hamilton, and believe me, it was bred into me to despise Toronto; to go forth to the tiger cat argo games and seek out argo fans and beat them to a pulp because they were from "hogtown"
Then i moved here.
Didn't like it at first. My family and friends snickered, called me a traitor to the cause, etc.
But then you begin to open your mind and you ralize that the average joe in toronto is busting his hump just like everyone else. That in fact, he's ok, nice even. You then realize that the hatred that was bred into you growing up was wrong.
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Never said it was a conspiracy. I don't doubt you guys are all trying to survive (although understand that my experience with Torontonians have tended to involve alot of arrogant stereotyping on their part), nor that you aren't part of an evil plot. But what I am upset with doesn't require some evil plan to be afoot.
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The liberals are in power because more people voted for them than anyone else.
As long as there is fiscal responsibility, i will vote for that party.
Paul Martin took 9 years of coservative thieving, stealing, and corruption complete with back breaking deficits and turned our economy into the strongest of all the G-7 nations. He eliminated deficits, got rid of bureaucracy, and gave us budget surpluses for the first time in my life.
For that alone, I will vote for him.
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The liberals are in power because a first-past-the-post system ensures that they will have the majority in parliament and the growing centralization of power ensures that their control is absolute.
If you think that the liberal party is fiscally responsible, you are either so ignorant of what has happened that you shouldn't even be posting here, or you are a straightfaced liar. I am not trying to be rude -even if i am being- but there is no other way to put it. I don't want to list off all the financial scandals and publically reported waste that this government has been involved in (for there is a limit to these posts) but suffice to say I really can't understand how you could possibly refer to them as fiscally responsible.
Martin's budget surpluses came because taxes were raised through orders-in-council and good economic luck. The first few 'surpluses' were budgetary smoke and mirrors and they - luckily for him - worked out after a while. I will give them some credit for doing some stuff better (not that it was hard given their predecessors) but to ignore everything that has gone wrong is rediculous.