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Willravel · 10-17-2004, 08:03 AM

Onewolf, I have to remind you that most of the theorys about who are responsible are just that; theories. I personally have my suspicians about who was responsible, but the necessary information is not as redaily available as it is seemingly redaily available as far as the mistakes made in the attack. It's easy to apply physics to what we all saw on tv on 9/11. While they did a pretty poor job of actually carrying out the fake attacks, they have done an amazing job hiding in plane site the details. People wanted to move on, not only because it was to terrible in and of itself, but because they were told it was the best thing to do by the government and the media. I remember seeing the evolution of the entire 9/11 process - which is still evolving and living today - and the stage after acceptance was to move right into vengance. Ossama Bin Laden was suddenly on the tip of Americas collective tongue. Why did the 9/11 Comission take so long to begin? Because even as we were attacking Iraq, we were still in collective shock.

Now my shock started to wear off about 14 months ago. I accepted that we were attacked by Ossama and that we needed to get him, but we were in Iraq. I blame that for my recent 'paranoia'. I was wondering about why the government clearly was not taking the Ossama threat serioiusly. The conclusion I drew was that either he was no longer a threat, or that he was never a threat. Based on the latter, the government probably knew that someone else was responsible. I went back to square 1 and started to review all of the pictures and videos that we were bombarded with by the news networks. I looked for Pentagon pictures and video, but there is very very little. That's how my 'independant investigation' began.

I know that on the surface this seems completly absurd. People have finally accepted 9/11 and are getting ready for the election. You, onewolf, probably were just as saddened by the attacks as any other good American person. I think I'll refrence a different thread to explain why it is so difficult for people.

Dissonance ( see at thread: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=72423 ) is a psychological term that describes a situation where a person learns something by hardship and being uncomfortable, and becomes more connected with the learned information because of the struggle. Value is given to learned facts and experiences if there has been difficulty in the learning process. On 9/11 people gave up the long standing feeling of safty that Americans have had since the end of the cold war in the 80s. We gave up the belief that the rest of the world loved and reveered us. We gave up those 3000 brave souls. It was difficult. We had a fundamental change of what 'American' means. We were then bombarded with video of the horrific event and all of the supposed facts surrounding it, though for the first 6 months, it was all media speculation. Actually it was the media that named Ossama as the guilty party, not the government. Becuase we had to give so much in this aweful situation, we are more connected to the reality of it all. We think that we finally know everything there is to know about 9/11. Unfortunatally, 99% of Americans (that's not an exact percentage) only know what is on the surface.

The official government stance on what happened on 9/11 can be found almost solely in the 9/11 Comission Report and the FEMA report done at the crash sites. I strongly suggest you read these. I was particularly facinated with what the May 2002 BPAT: World Trade Center Building Performance Study, in which BPAT (Building Performance Assessment Team), a group composed of volunteer engineers selected and supervised by FEMA, wrote in chapter 5 of the report. The official stance of the government in that chapter is riddled with blatent lies that I, not even being a licenced engineer, could see right through. http://www.wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm is a good site that basically picks the claims apart.

You have to know that you were either lied to in grade school about basic basic physics and very basic engineering, or you were lied to by the government. Facts were altered, and that is why I have done my research. I would never force my findings on anyone, but I have posted a lot on TFP because I've found that a lot of people on here are pretty open minded and level headed. I admit that I have been surprised by some people's response (see mmiller0617's post, claiming he was actually there on the highway in front of the pentagon when it was attacked). I've been equally dissapointed by some people, and very much impressed by others. Coming to the realization of such a foundation shaking lie is quite a thing. I am not 100% certian that I am right, but I'd put myself at 95% as far as certianty.

There are bad people working in our government, and there are bad people working outside of our government. The bottom line is that we don't know who was responsible. I would like to get a decent number of people to understand why I think it wasen't Ossama before we move on to who really did it. We have to allow people to accept that the offical story does not add up at all.

Edit: Spelling and grammer were a bit off. Content is the same otherwise.

10-17-2004, 08:03 AM	#79 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Onewolf, I have to remind you that most of the theorys about who are responsible are just that; theories. I personally have my suspicians about who was responsible, but the necessary information is not as redaily available as it is seemingly redaily available as far as the mistakes made in the attack. It's easy to apply physics to what we all saw on tv on 9/11. While they did a pretty poor job of actually carrying out the fake attacks, they have done an amazing job hiding in plane site the details. People wanted to move on, not only because it was to terrible in and of itself, but because they were told it was the best thing to do by the government and the media. I remember seeing the evolution of the entire 9/11 process - which is still evolving and living today - and the stage after acceptance was to move right into vengance. Ossama Bin Laden was suddenly on the tip of Americas collective tongue. Why did the 9/11 Comission take so long to begin? Because even as we were attacking Iraq, we were still in collective shock. Now my shock started to wear off about 14 months ago. I accepted that we were attacked by Ossama and that we needed to get him, but we were in Iraq. I blame that for my recent 'paranoia'. I was wondering about why the government clearly was not taking the Ossama threat serioiusly. The conclusion I drew was that either he was no longer a threat, or that he was never a threat. Based on the latter, the government probably knew that someone else was responsible. I went back to square 1 and started to review all of the pictures and videos that we were bombarded with by the news networks. I looked for Pentagon pictures and video, but there is very very little. That's how my 'independant investigation' began. I know that on the surface this seems completly absurd. People have finally accepted 9/11 and are getting ready for the election. You, onewolf, probably were just as saddened by the attacks as any other good American person. I think I'll refrence a different thread to explain why it is so difficult for people. Dissonance ( see at thread: http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=72423 ) is a psychological term that describes a situation where a person learns something by hardship and being uncomfortable, and becomes more connected with the learned information because of the struggle. Value is given to learned facts and experiences if there has been difficulty in the learning process. On 9/11 people gave up the long standing feeling of safty that Americans have had since the end of the cold war in the 80s. We gave up the belief that the rest of the world loved and reveered us. We gave up those 3000 brave souls. It was difficult. We had a fundamental change of what 'American' means. We were then bombarded with video of the horrific event and all of the supposed facts surrounding it, though for the first 6 months, it was all media speculation. Actually it was the media that named Ossama as the guilty party, not the government. Becuase we had to give so much in this aweful situation, we are more connected to the reality of it all. We think that we finally know everything there is to know about 9/11. Unfortunatally, 99% of Americans (that's not an exact percentage) only know what is on the surface. The official government stance on what happened on 9/11 can be found almost solely in the 9/11 Comission Report and the FEMA report done at the crash sites. I strongly suggest you read these. I was particularly facinated with what the May 2002 BPAT: World Trade Center Building Performance Study, in which BPAT (Building Performance Assessment Team), a group composed of volunteer engineers selected and supervised by FEMA, wrote in chapter 5 of the report. The official stance of the government in that chapter is riddled with blatent lies that I, not even being a licenced engineer, could see right through. http://www.wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm is a good site that basically picks the claims apart. You have to know that you were either lied to in grade school about basic basic physics and very basic engineering, or you were lied to by the government. Facts were altered, and that is why I have done my research. I would never force my findings on anyone, but I have posted a lot on TFP because I've found that a lot of people on here are pretty open minded and level headed. I admit that I have been surprised by some people's response (see mmiller0617's post, claiming he was actually there on the highway in front of the pentagon when it was attacked). I've been equally dissapointed by some people, and very much impressed by others. Coming to the realization of such a foundation shaking lie is quite a thing. I am not 100% certian that I am right, but I'd put myself at 95% as far as certianty. There are bad people working in our government, and there are bad people working outside of our government. The bottom line is that we don't know who was responsible. I would like to get a decent number of people to understand why I think it wasen't Ossama before we move on to who really did it. We have to allow people to accept that the offical story does not add up at all. Edit: Spelling and grammer were a bit off. Content is the same otherwise. Last edited by Willravel; 10-17-2004 at 10:11 AM..