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pan6467 · 10-16-2004, 09:23 PM

Like I said above, if a soldier goes over and takes his gun then, no I do not give him any leniency on obeying orders that are legal. Nor in a hostile zone would I forgive him if all of a sudden he decides to change his mind over the war. Unless you are told to do things blatantly illegal like Abu Gahraib or see illegal acts and nothing gets done. Then questioning the war would almost come naturally, especially if you are a moral person and know what you see and your commanders don't care.

A soldier pretty much knows if they are in true support of the war or not. If they aren't then they shouldn't be sent, but still respected. Because if they are vocal about their beliefs and they say they can't fight this war..... then by sending them over there you run the risk of putting them in a situation where people need them and they aren't there. It would be a death sentence for them and probably others. One reason for boot camp is to make sure you won't freeze under stress, that happens in war though but sending someone who's heart is already questioning the war amplifies that risk much much much more. (So you can say I'm being partisan or political but in all honesty, I am just looking out for the men/women on both sides of the issue.)

I can see how when you get there and that orders like take this contaminated fuel across a hostile zone and, sorry but we don't have the protection you need to help you out. That's a suicide mission and that is wrong and there is no excuse for it. (And I am going by what is written and quoted in the story for my reasoning I assume nothing more nor less when dealing with this particular story. Everything else is personal opinion from someone who has been in the military and knows that you need 100% unquestioned heart and desire to be in that situation, otherwise you put yourself and others at risk.)

10-16-2004, 09:23 PM	#24 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Like I said above, if a soldier goes over and takes his gun then, no I do not give him any leniency on obeying orders that are legal. Nor in a hostile zone would I forgive him if all of a sudden he decides to change his mind over the war. Unless you are told to do things blatantly illegal like Abu Gahraib or see illegal acts and nothing gets done. Then questioning the war would almost come naturally, especially if you are a moral person and know what you see and your commanders don't care. A soldier pretty much knows if they are in true support of the war or not. If they aren't then they shouldn't be sent, but still respected. Because if they are vocal about their beliefs and they say they can't fight this war..... then by sending them over there you run the risk of putting them in a situation where people need them and they aren't there. It would be a death sentence for them and probably others. One reason for boot camp is to make sure you won't freeze under stress, that happens in war though but sending someone who's heart is already questioning the war amplifies that risk much much much more. (So you can say I'm being partisan or political but in all honesty, I am just looking out for the men/women on both sides of the issue.) I can see how when you get there and that orders like take this contaminated fuel across a hostile zone and, sorry but we don't have the protection you need to help you out. That's a suicide mission and that is wrong and there is no excuse for it. (And I am going by what is written and quoted in the story for my reasoning I assume nothing more nor less when dealing with this particular story. Everything else is personal opinion from someone who has been in the military and knows that you need 100% unquestioned heart and desire to be in that situation, otherwise you put yourself and others at risk.) __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 10-16-2004 at 09:31 PM..