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pan6467 · 10-16-2004, 09:11 AM

When you are told from the minute you enlist that you DO NOT have to follow illegal orders and IF you believe that the president lied NUMEROUS times about the reason why we needed to invade Iraq and that he has yet to come forward with the truth, then you believe the war to be illegal. Therefore, IF you believe the war is illegal any order given over there telling you to fight and kill would thus be illegal. It is not promoting defiance of the president, it is saying I support those who are in the military and do not believe this war is worth their lives. That they are not fighting to defend our country but to further the private lives of a president and his cronies.

IF you feel that is wrong, you are entitled to your opinion as much as I am mine.

As for the convoy "mutiny" that started this thread. First, before you start to charge 1 soldier over there you need to find out why they are not protected to the utmost of our ability, especially when we have paid for them to be. Secondly, you must ask why are they transporting "contaminated fuel", when it's of no use except as a large moving bomb.

To blame these soldiers for not carrying out orders that would have put themselves in harm's way, unnecessarily and foolheartedly is not only ridiculous but it shows no true concern for those who are over there. It shows me, that those who believe you should blindly follow any "legal" order would rather see mindless zombies who have no regard for their life, (and if they have no regard for their lives then they have no regard for human life, and that is what we saw in Abu Gahraib). Of course, I'm sure if you ran a poll showing that those who believe these soldiers were mutinous, are also going to say that Abu Gahraib was an overeaction on the "liberals part" and there was truly nothing wrong done there.

By the way, any of you who have argued that the soldiers were in the wrong, would YOU risk your life over there with bad equipment transporting a huge bomb? Would you expect or demand family members close to you to do it? And if they died would you say they were following orders and that the US and their commanding officers did all they could to make sure they didn't have to die?

I wouldn't, because from what I read, it sounds like the commanding officers saw these men and women as expendable and when you have commanders that do that, then you have the wrong people in charge and need to replace them. NOONE IS EXPENDABLE, THAT IS THE MOST SELFISH ATTITUDE I CAN THINK OF. Death happens in war, but it is our government's duty to our men/women to make sure that they are as well equipped and treated with as much respect as possible. This is a case where the soldiers were not treated with that respect.

10-16-2004, 09:11 AM	#16 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	When you are told from the minute you enlist that you DO NOT have to follow illegal orders and IF you believe that the president lied NUMEROUS times about the reason why we needed to invade Iraq and that he has yet to come forward with the truth, then you believe the war to be illegal. Therefore, IF you believe the war is illegal any order given over there telling you to fight and kill would thus be illegal. It is not promoting defiance of the president, it is saying I support those who are in the military and do not believe this war is worth their lives. That they are not fighting to defend our country but to further the private lives of a president and his cronies. IF you feel that is wrong, you are entitled to your opinion as much as I am mine. As for the convoy "mutiny" that started this thread. First, before you start to charge 1 soldier over there you need to find out why they are not protected to the utmost of our ability, especially when we have paid for them to be. Secondly, you must ask why are they transporting "contaminated fuel", when it's of no use except as a large moving bomb. To blame these soldiers for not carrying out orders that would have put themselves in harm's way, unnecessarily and foolheartedly is not only ridiculous but it shows no true concern for those who are over there. It shows me, that those who believe you should blindly follow any "legal" order would rather see mindless zombies who have no regard for their life, (and if they have no regard for their lives then they have no regard for human life, and that is what we saw in Abu Gahraib). Of course, I'm sure if you ran a poll showing that those who believe these soldiers were mutinous, are also going to say that Abu Gahraib was an overeaction on the "liberals part" and there was truly nothing wrong done there. By the way, any of you who have argued that the soldiers were in the wrong, would YOU risk your life over there with bad equipment transporting a huge bomb? Would you expect or demand family members close to you to do it? And if they died would you say they were following orders and that the US and their commanding officers did all they could to make sure they didn't have to die? I wouldn't, because from what I read, it sounds like the commanding officers saw these men and women as expendable and when you have commanders that do that, then you have the wrong people in charge and need to replace them. NOONE IS EXPENDABLE, THAT IS THE MOST SELFISH ATTITUDE I CAN THINK OF. Death happens in war, but it is our government's duty to our men/women to make sure that they are as well equipped and treated with as much respect as possible. This is a case where the soldiers were not treated with that respect. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 10-16-2004 at 09:23 AM..