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Blackthorn · 10-12-2004, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by maleficent

I'll give a hearty AMEN to that... (and it's usually the "amateur" travellers that cause all the lines at security -- but I could rant for hours about that)

I've flown 120 segments per year on Delta (Delta gets you there --- eventually) for the last five+ years. This quote is sooooo definitely true. The "amatures" are the absolute worst. The people who think they can still take scissors on a plane in carry on baggage, the people who get indignant because they have to take their shoes off or the ones who get even more indignant when they don't remove them and get selected for the double-sphincter test are horrendous. It's not that hard to get through the line and if you get selected for additional screening -- suck it up and again consider the potential alternative.

/begin official rant
When I get on a plane being operated by a private carrier like Delta I have the right to expect that they in conjunction with the regulators controlling the operation of private commercial aviation have done everything in their power to ensure that I arrive safely at my destination. If you don't like the inconvenience that you must go through to get past the screening, if you feel like you are being looked upon as a criminal, if you feel like you just can't get past the idea that you are UNTRUSTED until screened then please ... do us all a favor and take the damn bus. There are too many ass-hats in that line to begin with so if you are not capable of learning the rules and how to make them work for you instead of against you the by taking the bus you'll make flying easier on all of us.
/end rant

Oh yeah....if you think flying in the US is difficult -- try sneaking your don't wanna be screened whinny ass onto an "El Al" flight out of Israel.

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EL AL’S RIGHT TO REFUSE TO CARRY YOU OR BAN YOU FROM TRAVEL

7.1. Right to refuse carriage
We may decide to refuse to carry you or your Baggage if, in the exercise of our reasonable discretion, we consider that one or more of the following have occurred or we believe may occur:

7.1.1. refusal to carry is necessary in order to comply with any applicable government laws, regulations, or orders; or

7.1.2. you commit, or have committed a criminal offence during any of the operations of embarkation on your flight, or disembarkation from a connecting flight, or on board the aircraft whether in connection with your current flight or a previous unconnected flight, whether with us or on board another carrier; or

7.1.3. you fail, or have failed, to obey or observe safety or security instructions of, or obstruct or hinder, ground staff or security personnel in the performance of their duty; or

7.1.4. you use, or have used, threatening, abusive, or insulting words or behave, or have behaved, in a threatening, abusive, insulting or disorderly manner to security personnel, ground staff or flight (cockpit or cabin) crew prior to or during boarding the aircraft or

7.1.5. you have intimidated or deliberately interfered with security personnel or with a member of our staff or a member of the crew of the aircraft carrying out their duties; or

7.1.6. you have sat in a seat not assigned to you and refused the request of our staff or crew to move to your assigned seat; or

7.1.7. the carriage of you or your Baggage may endanger or affect, or has endangered or affected, the safety of the aircraft or anyone in the aircraft; or

7.1.8. carriage of you and/or your Baggage may endanger or affect the safety or health of other Passengers or members of the crew; or

7.1.9. carriage of you or your Unchecked Baggage may materially affect the comfort of other Passengers; or

7.1.10. your mental or physical state, including your impairment from alcohol or drugs, appears to present a hazard or risk to yourself, to Passengers, to crew, to the aircraft or any person or property in it or represents a likely source of material annoyance or discomfort to other Passengers; or

7.1.11. you have put the safety of the aircraft or any person in it in danger; or

7.1.12. you have refused to submit yourself or your Baggage to a security check or to comply with the requests or directions of security personnel; or

7.1.13. you fail, or have failed, to observe our instructions with respect to safety or security and comfort of other Passengers on matters such as, but not limited to, seating, storage of Unchecked Baggage, smoking, consumption of alcohol or use of drugs, use of electronic equipment including, but not limited to mobile/cellular phones, laptop computers, PDAs, portable recorder, portable radios, CD, DVD and MP3 players, electronic games or transmitting devices; or

7.1.14. you are, or we reasonably suspect you are, in the unlawful possession of drugs; or

7.1.15. you have made a hoax bomb or hijack threat; or

7.1.16. you have not paid the applicable fare, taxes, fees, charges or surcharges; or

7.1.17. you have failed to provide satisfactory positive identification including recent photographs or you have failed to cooperate with us in the use of biometrics.

7.1.18. you do not have, or do not appear to have, valid travel documents, may seek to enter a country through which you may be in transit, or for which you do not have valid travel documents, destroy your travel documents during flight or have refused to allow us to photocopy your travel documents or refuse to surrender your travel documents to the flight crew, against receipt, when so requested; or

7.1.19. you do not appear to be able to meet requisite visa requirements in relation to any country through which you may be in transit or into which you may seek entry; or

7.1.20. we have been informed by the immigration or other authorities of the country to which you are travelling, or for a country in which you have a Stopover planned, that you will not be permitted entry to such country even if you have valid travel documents; or

7.1.21. you have failed to give us information in your possession which a governmental authority has lawfully asked us to give about you; or

7.1.22. you have not presented a valid Ticket or you present a Ticket that has been or appears to have been acquired unlawfully, has been purchased from an entity other than us or our Authorized Agent, or has been reported as being mutilated, lost or stolen, is a counterfeit, or you cannot prove that you are the person named in the Ticket; or

7.1.23. you have failed to comply with the requirements set forth in Article 3.3 above concerning coupon sequence and use, or you present a Ticket which has been issued or altered in any way, other than by us or our Authorized Agent, or the Ticket is mutilated; or

7.1.24. you have not presented a valid Ticket or your boarding pass or your travel documents when reasonably requested to do so; or

7.1.25. you have failed to complete the check-in process by the Check-in Deadline or you have failed to arrive at the boarding gate at the time specified by us when you checked-in; or

7.1.26. we have notified you in writing that we would not at any time after the date of such notice carry you on our flights; or

7.1.27. you do not appear, and cannot reasonably satisfy us otherwise, that you are medically fit to fly, as required by Article 7.4; or

7.1.28. you, or someone who is legally responsible for you if you are a minor, has failed to comply with the requirements of paragraph 7.5; or

7.1.29. you, or someone for whom you are responsible travelling with you (such as, but not limited to, a minor) is not permitted by law or court order from leaving the jurisdiction of the place of departure of the aircraft; or

7.1.30. you failed to disclose to our staff that you have included in your Baggage any item referred to in Article 8.3 below; or

7.1.31. you have deliberately damaged or unlawfully removed any of our equipment or property including telephony and in-flight entertainment equipment; or

7.1.32. by word or by behaviour, you have been unduly aggressive, intimidating, threatening, abusive or insulting, including behaviour which may be described as sexual harassment, towards other Passengers; or

7.1.33. by word or by behaviour, you have behaved in a manner to which other Passengers may reasonably object or have objected or your behaviour is likely to cause discomfort or unnecessary inconvenience to other Passengers; or

7.1.34. you have previously committed one of the acts or omissions referred to above or on a previous flight committed misconduct of the type referred to in Article 11.1; or

7.1.35. we have been notified or we have good reason to believe that you have previously committed one of the acts or omissions referred to in these Conditions prior to or while boarding or disembarking or during flight aboard the aircraft of another Carrier.

7.1.36. we just don't like the way your whinny ass looks; you are acting like a suspicious boob, you seem like a fool who thinks this process is not needed, did we mention we just don't like the way your whinny ass looks?