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Old 10-12-2004, 07:45 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by xepherys
So do angels... that's why Azezel was cast down from heaven. Correct?
This IS a sticky one, isn't it? The scriptures do not say specifically that Azezel/Lucifer/Satan was cast out for any particular action. It states that he said to himself ("in thine heart" Isa 14:13 KJV) that he will ascend into heaven, etc. Most commentaries on this passage would indicate that Lucifer's sin was to think too much of himself or to exalt himself above God. The question is, does one need free will in order to experience pride. Did Azezel/Lucifer/Satan make a choice against the will of God? Our understanding of his position was that he was the head worshiper in heaven. It seems that there was a slight shift in his perception that he began to worship himself instead of God. It is also indicated in scripture that one third of heaven fell with him. Were these angels? Did they also start worshiping Lucifer/Azezel/Satan instead of God?

The question becomes, "What is free will?" Can arrogance and pride exist without free will? If we assume that angels don't have free will, the fact that Luficer/Azezel/Satan and a third of heaven were cast out would seem to indicate that they can have pride without free will. Would it not be possible that the same "rules" of psychology and spirituality that govern humans don't necessarily apply to Angels? What are Angels? They are spiritual beings created by God. They are different from humans, we know that, but how? They do not have a physical body but can appear as if they did. Scripture describes two types of angels, cherubim and seraphim; the warriors and the worshipers, respectively.

I tend to get long winded, so I'll stop here and let someone else reply.
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