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Originally Posted by thefictionweliv
I disagree, both should argue their views from their respective frame of belief. Removing God from his discussion would be forcing him to cite that God has nothing to do with the topic is just as wrong as you being forced to say that he does. It takes just as much faith to say there is God as to say there isn't.
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If he is unable to continue the conversation on the premise that there is no god, then we're not having a philisophical discussion. Philosophy isn't about arguing views from different frames of beliefs. Philosophy is about coming to a conclution devoid of any predjudace from these frames of belief.
It takes no faith to say "I believe there is no god". It's quite simple really. If existence can be proven, he exists, if not, he doesn't. You'll note that I never said I didn't believe in god. I did however, say that his existence could not be proven. Therefore, I'm not bringing his presense into the conversation. I'm not going to argue things from the premise that something exists because I say so. This is illogical.
There is a big difference between:
"I think abortion is/isnt killing because of god's teachings."
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"I think abortion is/isnt killing becuase of some physical observation."
If both parties adopt religion as the 'common frame' for discussion, then they arn't discussing abortion, they're discussing different interpretations on how their religion views the subject. I don't care to battle with someone over their interpretation of god's will. It's quite obvious the result when this occurs- just look at the middle east. I want to discuss why abortion is 'wrong', or why a fetus is alive, or why rape abortion is wrong. I don't wish to dicuss whether god said it was ok or not.