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Originally Posted by summerkc
Ok, lets finish with this collapsing thing, I still think that the airplanes could have provided enough structural failure to bring them down, but for the sake of argument, and my sanity, lets just assume that the destruction was aided by the use of some type of explosive material some where else in the building.
Ok, you you have 4 airlines, two hit the WTC, one the pentagon, and one in a field in Penn. In order for even a part of this to be done by a differnt entity other than Islamic terrorists, they would all have been involved together and coordinating together. Islamic terrorists are not going to cooperate with the U.S. Government especially if they promise that they are going to distroy the WTC in a mock attack, they are not that trusting for one thing, and stupid for another. You then have to find at least 4 pilots be willing to die for this government attack on itself and a few others to handle the passengers, pilots, etc. These pilots would have been trained very well probably.
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Okay. I appreciate your humoring me.
We have proof that when our troops were within several miles of where Osama Bin Ladden was hiding, they were pulled out and finding him became more the responsibility of warlords. This fact opens up the remote possibility that this group, the al'queda, could still be working with the US. *Remember* the US government trained the Al'Queda. We were once allies with them, back when we called them freedom fighters; back when they served our ends. What if an opportunity came up where they could aid us again, and we could take out a local leader, Saddam, who would not harbor the Al'Queda. Just a theory. This end, with the ability to kill many americans, could have been enough for Bin Ladden to order two trained Al'Queda soldiers to give their lives.
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Originally Posted by summerkc
You then have to have people to rig the explosives in the 2 WTC buildings, and the building that fell for no reason across the street. (This is one hole in your thesis, if the planes hit at the "least risk point" why make the buildings fall all the way down?)
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Imagine that the towers did not fall. Think of the picture of the holes being patched up. Would that be even a fraction as devistating as an image of the towers being gone from the NY skyline? To me, that picture defined that period in my life. It was that image that was shown thousands of times.
The least risk point. If the plane had hit above the least risk point, the building's top may have slid off. That would be tons of material falling in an incalcuable direction. Whoever planned the supposed controled demolition wanted control. If the plane had hit too low, the possiblity of a topple entered the equasion. Can you imagine WTC North falling on it's side? Tens of thousands would have died. This was meant to simply kill the people in the building and some extras.
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Originally Posted by summerkc
The planes hit the WTC and then a long time afterwards they actually fall down. Sometime during the time the planes hit and them falling, the other explosives had to be triggered, but I don't recall any mention of secondary explosions. They couldn't have been rigged to go off upon impact because of not know exactly where the airplanes would hit and even if they did the buildings would immediately collapse. So some other people had to be involved to detonate them.
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The explosives (probably thermite) were triggered and the building immediatally fell. Have you ever seen a building demolition? The first charges are set off and the structure begins to fall an instant after they are set off, the cascade is assited by the continuing demolition so as to use the weight of the collapse as an aid to the explosives. The top floor is detonated, this sound can be head on tape. Then the resulting collapse is very very loud. It could have covered the charges going off to at least a decent degree. Any charges that were loud enough to be heard over the collapse were simply dismissed as a support snapping or some nonsense.
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Originally Posted by summerkc
The other planes for some reason miss the White House and hit the pentagon instead, minimally damaging it in an area that is for the most part vacant and under construction. You would think that a highly trained pilot would be able to hit his first target.
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Maybe we were meant to think that was his first target. The white house being hit may have simply been too much. The white house represents democracy for the western world. The twin towers was more than enough to trigger the proper response, but the fact that it could have been hit was enough to keep people on their toes. Then the plane goes on the hit the pentagon. I will not go into this. If you want to know what I have to say on the pentagon attack, go to this threads sister thread, the Mystery of the Dissapearing 757. It's a good read.
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Originally Posted by summerkc
The other plane crashes in a Penn. field for some reason.
By now you have a huge number of people involved, which all of them know that this is going to cost thousands of lives and billions of dollars.
What is the motive of the government, or anyone else, to do this.
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This did not cost billions of dollars. I doubt it costed more than a few hundred thousand. Thermites, planes, secrecy; where did you get this figure?
The motives are up for grabs at this point. There are several explainations, but I have no way of knowing which is the most likely. The facts themselves are so utterly fantastic and mind boggeling, that even the most reasonable explaination would sound absurd. Think about it: it's possible that we were lied to about the true happenings on Sept. 11th. It's possible that there is an actual cover up.
While I can't be certian, I'll bet that there is a direct correlation between the second gulf war and this attack.