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Originally Posted by Robaggio
There is a third state of being. It's called nothing. My keyboard is doing a good job at being neither alive nor dead (it's made of plastic).
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No, your keyboard is dead. It's never been alive, it never will be. The appeal to nothingness is a dodge.
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Lets try to keep things on topic: god has no place in a logical (philisophical) discussion.
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Wrong on two counts. If a believer in God having a logical or philosophical discussion with someone that doesn't believe in a higher power, there is lacking a common frame of reference from which to begin. Second, bringing up the miracle that is life is on the topic of abortion.
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Pregnancy itself was developed as an evolutionary advantage to make children. That is, pregnancy evolved and developed to create fetuses- fetuses did not (and do not) create pregnancy.
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Accepting that takes a lot more blind faith than accepting there is a Creator that set up the system, but now you're getting afield.
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There is nothing done by the fetus to make the mother create it. The mother does it all on her own in an attempt to make copies of herself. Once the copy is made, well, then the manipulation begins That's when they fend for themselves- and it all starts with crying.
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Now you've discounted the role of the father. But the fetus is doing all it can to survive in the womb; crying isn't an option because it is unnecessary.