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Originally Posted by tornhelm
Gee, isn't it amazing that people back down from being tested by a bunch of confirmed skeptics.
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Who would be a better group of people to test than confirmed skeptics?
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On the using psychics to help solve crime cases, I have seen too much of that working to disbelieve that it can help, and if you didn't froth at the mouth every time someone even _mentioned_ the word "psychic" then you might have too. And it isn't a case of "solving the crime" per se, but more adding additional information which allows the police to turn up new leads to solve the cases.
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That's just the thing. They do not turn up new information. They give the police guesses. In those cases where the police are not wise enough to dismiss these so-called psychics they waste hundreds of man-hours, tens of thousands of dollars of money, and most importantly, time. All of these could be spent more productively.
Also, let's not even begin to think about how to quantify the damage they do to families. I watched a supposed psychic tell a family on TV how their kidnapped daughter was alive and well and playing and that she would return home safe soon. It was about two days later they found the child sexually assaulted and dead. The mental anguish the parents went through and the roller coaster the so-called psychic added to is something no one should ever have to face.
If it is your position that there are real psychics who have helped police solve crimes then put forth the facts. And by this I mean objective fact. This would consist of any case where a psychic is quoted - most importantly, BEFORE THE DISCOVERY - with specific knowledge they could not have known about a crime.
There are numerous examples of psychics themselves saying AFTER a discovery that they told the police "such and such", with great specificity. There are no objective testable cases where a psychic said "the body is on the west end of Ye Olde Bridge" or anything remotely that specific.
Doesn't it strike you as odd that there is not ONE example?
But again, in the spirit of objectivity, I await any factual, documented, verifiable facts that will change my mind.