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Originally Posted by Ramega
So we should have just let France and Poland rot under the hand of the Third Reich because they didn't "earn" it? Sorry, I'm not buying that. And besides, I think the Iraqis heaped in mass graves would have a thing or two to say about whether or not they earned it.
It's entirely likely that the Americans would not have won the Revolutionary War without the aid of the French. Does that mean we didn't earn it?
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dragon beat me to it... and i'm using the word freedom the way it seemed to be used by others in this thread... freedom = democracy. poland and france weren't occupied so that the germans could change their style of govt. and leave. they were being occupied as part of war, part of an attempt to conquer the world. that's not our stated goal. both situations are entirely different... i'm sure there's a logical fallacy you're making, maybe a strawman, you'd have to ask someone else though. and since we started the war, more than enough iraqi civilians have been killed to make another mass grave or two, so don't think everythings smelling like daisy's over there.
us bringing a revolution to a group is meaningless. fine, we overthrow their govt., but what's to stop them from reinstalling a similar one once we're gone? unless the iraqi's were to attempt a revolution on their own, this is nothing but nation building. the french helped us out years after our revolutionary war started, they didn't invade, train us, kick the english out and say "this is how you're gonna run things."