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4thTimeLucky · 05-10-2003, 04:02 PM

Mad_Grecko

I am fully aware of the facts thank you, and don't believe I have used any facts that you have contradicted.

"He had to protect his land the only way he could".
The facts of the case are that he had already protected his land.
The burglars were fleeing through a window to escape empty handed. Barras was shot in the back. Barras begged not to be shot saying, "I'm sorry. Please don't. Mum."
Martin did not need to kill to protect his land and killing was not "the only way".

Lebell

The world does not divide so neatly into VICTIMS and CRIMINALS. Nor is one group always in the right and the other always in the wrong.
In the law the CRIMINAL does have diminished rights and the VICTIM has the right to defend themselves with "reasonable force". What Martin did was deemed unreasonable by a court jury. He was therefore also a CRIMINAL and the murdered intruder a VICTIM.

Martin's own defence claimed that he had a "paranoid personality disorder", that this 54-year old man considered himself to be ten years of age and that he was traumatised by sexual abuse as a child. He brought a 4 foot Teddy Bear to court every day. He had previously used guns in violent incidents in the past and had lost his licence because of it. He hated thieves and Gypsies with an abnormal intensity.
None of this changes his rights, but it gives you an insight into the mind of a man who set booby traps in his house, slept fully dressed and with a shotgun, who went downstairs when he heard people (Gypsies as it happened) breaking in, ignored their pleas not to be shot and then killed one of them as they were running away.

It seems that you are saying that decisions of justice, law and order, life and death, should lie with a man who was mentally disturbed. I cannot agree with that.

Oh, and violent crime is on the decline in England. I believe it fell by 2% in 2002. Overall crime fell 9%.

05-10-2003, 04:02 PM	#21 (permalink)
4thTimeLucky Psycho Location: 4th has left the building - goodbye folks	Mad_Grecko I am fully aware of the facts thank you, and don't believe I have used any facts that you have contradicted. "He had to protect his land the only way he could". The facts of the case are that he had already protected his land. The burglars were fleeing through a window to escape empty handed. Barras was shot in the back. Barras begged not to be shot saying, "I'm sorry. Please don't. Mum." Martin did not need to kill to protect his land and killing was not "the only way". Lebell The world does not divide so neatly into VICTIMS and CRIMINALS. Nor is one group always in the right and the other always in the wrong. In the law the CRIMINAL does have diminished rights and the VICTIM has the right to defend themselves with "reasonable force". What Martin did was deemed unreasonable by a court jury. He was therefore also a CRIMINAL and the murdered intruder a VICTIM. Martin's own defence claimed that he had a "paranoid personality disorder", that this 54-year old man considered himself to be ten years of age and that he was traumatised by sexual abuse as a child. He brought a 4 foot Teddy Bear to court every day. He had previously used guns in violent incidents in the past and had lost his licence because of it. He hated thieves and Gypsies with an abnormal intensity. None of this changes his rights, but it gives you an insight into the mind of a man who set booby traps in his house, slept fully dressed and with a shotgun, who went downstairs when he heard people (Gypsies as it happened) breaking in, ignored their pleas not to be shot and then killed one of them as they were running away. It seems that you are saying that decisions of justice, law and order, life and death, should lie with a man who was mentally disturbed. I cannot agree with that. Oh, and violent crime is on the decline in England. I believe it fell by 2% in 2002. Overall crime fell 9%. __________________ I've been 4thTimeLucky, you've been great. Goodnight and God bless! Last edited by 4thTimeLucky; 05-10-2003 at 04:06 PM..