Thread: welfare state
View Single Post
Old 10-07-2004, 07:03 PM   #8 (permalink)
guy44
Somnabulist
 
guy44's Avatar
 
Location: corner of No and Where
You guys are right, that was a very broad overgeneralization of conservatives. I mention "conservatives" as a stereotype because that is the term used in the question. I'm trying to generalize about the sort of Rush Limbaugh-esque conservatives, and even then, obviously not every dittohead believes the exact same things. Sorry about that, I should have mentioned that in my post.

I also agree that welfare in this country is more accurately depicted if you include agricultural subsidies and corporate welfare. However, I don't think you hear too much from conservative politicians about decreasing either (once again, an overgeneralization, and there certainly are exceptions).

However, statements like "I think those who get welfare should work for it" seems to miss the point of welfare entirely. There AREN'T enough jobs, and certainly not enough jobs providing living wages, for everyone. Trust me: pretty much everyone wants to work and be paid enough so that they need no welfare. Things just don't work out that way in the U.S.

Remember when I said that conservatives tend to believe receiving welfare means that you are somehow an immoral or bad person? 98MustGT said that "I think personal welfare (not corporate welfare) is very destructive to the individual." This is what I am talking about. Despite the fact that people on welfare can eat and have a place to live thanks to government social safety nets, the argument cast against welfare is a moral one regarding the personal integrity of those receiving welfare.

As for the Puritan thing, I suggest reading the works of famed sociologist Max Weber, who coined the phrase "protestant work ethic" to describe the belief that decent people work hard, and if you are a good person working hard you will be succesful - and that if you aren't succesful, you can't be a good person nor working hard.
__________________
"You have reached Ritual Sacrifice. For goats press one, or say 'goats.'"
guy44 is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360