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Dragonlich · 10-07-2004, 12:41 PM

You know, this thread reminds me of something I saw on the BBC the other day.

They were reporting the casualty figures of the current Israeli incursion, talking about some 70 Palestinian deaths. Now, from other reports (also from the BBC) I know that this figure includes armed militants (as I stated above). I just wonder how many of those 70 dead are actually innocent civilians... 5? 10? 50? They don't say; all they say is 70 deaths. Furthermore, I saw footage of Palestinian civilians staying in the area where militants were firing from, even taking a look at the Israeli soldiers - and then they are upset when some of them get hurt or killed???

If we look at the total casualties from the whole conflict, I again have to wonder how many of those casualties are civilians, and how many are armed militants killed in combat. What about the countless Palestinian "traitors" killed by Palestinian extremists - are they included? And the Palestinian terrorists/martyrs, or the leaders of terror groups killed by Israel, are they included?

In short: how many of those "thousands of Palestinian children" (vast overstatement, by the way!) Kaju mentions are actually innocent civilians killed by the Israeli army, and how many were militants killed in combat?

Notice the way I say "Israeli army" instead of Jews or Zionists; That's because it's the Israeli army that's doing the killing, not the Jews in general, nor the Zionists in general. There are many Zionists who would like the Palestinians to live in peace, and there are many Jews that aren't in any way connected to this whole mess; that includes me, a *Dutch* Jew, without any connection whatsoever to the Israeli army, and not at all happy with the whole situation.

So Kajy, I guess my point would be that your whole post is, to put it mildly, a bit biased. You seem to be very much opposed to the Israelis/Zionist, and I feel that opposition might be distorting your ability to look at the situation objectively. When I look at your post, I get the feeling that you think that Israeli casualties aren't important, but Palestinians are - that's rather strange, don't you think?

10-07-2004, 12:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dragonlich 42, baby! Location: The Netherlands	You know, this thread reminds me of something I saw on the BBC the other day. They were reporting the casualty figures of the current Israeli incursion, talking about some 70 Palestinian deaths. Now, from other reports (also from the BBC) I know that this figure includes armed militants (as I stated above). I just wonder how many of those 70 dead are actually innocent civilians... 5? 10? 50? They don't say; all they say is 70 deaths. Furthermore, I saw footage of Palestinian civilians staying in the area where militants were firing from, even taking a look at the Israeli soldiers - and then they are upset when some of them get hurt or killed??? If we look at the total casualties from the whole conflict, I again have to wonder how many of those casualties are civilians, and how many are armed militants killed in combat. What about the countless Palestinian "traitors" killed by Palestinian extremists - are they included? And the Palestinian terrorists/martyrs, or the leaders of terror groups killed by Israel, are they included? In short: how many of those "thousands of Palestinian children" (vast overstatement, by the way!) Kaju mentions are actually innocent civilians killed by the Israeli army, and how many were militants killed in combat? Notice the way I say "Israeli army" instead of Jews or Zionists; That's because it's the Israeli army that's doing the killing, not the Jews in general, nor the Zionists in general. There are many Zionists who would like the Palestinians to live in peace, and there are many Jews that aren't in any way connected to this whole mess; that includes me, a Dutch Jew, without any connection whatsoever to the Israeli army, and not at all happy with the whole situation. So Kajy, I guess my point would be that your whole post is, to put it mildly, a bit biased. You seem to be very much opposed to the Israelis/Zionist, and I feel that opposition might be distorting your ability to look at the situation objectively. When I look at your post, I get the feeling that you think that Israeli casualties aren't important, but Palestinians are - that's rather strange, don't you think?