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pan6467 · 10-04-2004, 12:43 PM

I believed there were WMDs when we went in. I also became very worried when we didn't find any. I wondered who had them. Even when facts that there were never any I still thought there may have been a few. It was basically when the administration (Bush and Company) kept changing their story last year that I realized we didn't go in at all for WMDs. It was then I realized that we were duped by our government and that going into Iraq was never truly the right thing to do.

We are spending BILLIONS upon BILLIONS for this war and there does not seem to be an end to it. For those who think Iraqis are just going to get tired of fighting, it's possible (highly doubtful as the ones fighting see this as a holy war). But there is also the pipeline of Syrians, Saudis and Iranians coming in. We cannot totally defend our own borders how are we going to defend Iraq's?

We started this for the wrong reasons and we continue because we have no clean cut way out.

The rest of the world is sitting back and waiting for us to destroy ourselves ecomoically from this war. We cannot feasibly continue to spend the BILLIONS we are there and believe it won't hurt us economically.

For one thing if Bush is elected he'll cut educational funding to the bare minimum, he'll cut any and all social services as deep as he can because he has to give out the tax cuts he promised. But that won't work because states and cities then have to absorb the costs. With the exporting of industry, lower waged jobs and education going down the tax base then becomes narrower and narrower to the elites whom Bush cut the taxes for. So yes, you may pay less Federally but state, county and city, property and sales taxes and so on are going to skyrocket. Bush will also see what allies we have dropping out as their countries people start voting the allies out and replacing them with people who will get out of "our" war. And rightfully or wrongfully the world percieves it as the "US's war".

Already the Feds expect the cities and states to pay for all this Homeland Security BS. and you're eating away tax dollars that go to schools, and bettering the infrastructure. I have yet to hear any politician or pundit tell me why Cleveland having to layoff over 400 police and firemen is a good thing. I have yet to hear them explain how bankrupt schools and cities and social services are a good thing. I have yet to hear why the closing of VA hospitals and the renegging of Vets rights and services is a good thing.

Eventually, the states and cities will go broke (there is no way they can operate without federal help when there is no industry to help their tax base). The Federal will continue paying for this war, sending BILLIONS to Isreal and invading another imminent threat (IRAN).

By 2008 we'll be in economic turmoil and there won't be this shining light at the end of any tunnel.

That is my fear, that is what I see W. doing. I truly hope I am wrong if he is elected but I don't see it happening. Or Bush will continue to run up record deficits and interest rates and inflation will skyrocket as the $ will be worth pennies of what it is now.

Kerry, IMHO, may not be able to get us out freely, but I truly believe he won't bankrupt us nor will he stand alone. He may have to negotiate and give away aspects of Iraq to France and Germany BUt at least I believe he'll get others to absorb some of the cost and it won't be just on us.

In summary I see the election like this, 4 more years of Bush, and we're where Russia is today. 4 years of Kerry, we may not be as well off as we were before Bush but at least we'll be striving in the right direction.

This election is going to make or break one of the parties no matter what happens. If the GOP win and Bush does what I believe he will, the masses will be close to rebellion and the GOP will be unelectable for a very long time.

If the Dems win and the economy gets better, the world views us favorably again and we are headed in the right direction the GOP is doomed. If Kerry is elected and finds out that the war is more fucked then ever let on and noone will help us.... then the Dems are done, unless in 4 years people remember it was the GOP that put us there in which case a strong 3rd party will sweep out the trash.

10-04-2004, 12:43 PM	#52 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	I believed there were WMDs when we went in. I also became very worried when we didn't find any. I wondered who had them. Even when facts that there were never any I still thought there may have been a few. It was basically when the administration (Bush and Company) kept changing their story last year that I realized we didn't go in at all for WMDs. It was then I realized that we were duped by our government and that going into Iraq was never truly the right thing to do. We are spending BILLIONS upon BILLIONS for this war and there does not seem to be an end to it. For those who think Iraqis are just going to get tired of fighting, it's possible (highly doubtful as the ones fighting see this as a holy war). But there is also the pipeline of Syrians, Saudis and Iranians coming in. We cannot totally defend our own borders how are we going to defend Iraq's? We started this for the wrong reasons and we continue because we have no clean cut way out. The rest of the world is sitting back and waiting for us to destroy ourselves ecomoically from this war. We cannot feasibly continue to spend the BILLIONS we are there and believe it won't hurt us economically. For one thing if Bush is elected he'll cut educational funding to the bare minimum, he'll cut any and all social services as deep as he can because he has to give out the tax cuts he promised. But that won't work because states and cities then have to absorb the costs. With the exporting of industry, lower waged jobs and education going down the tax base then becomes narrower and narrower to the elites whom Bush cut the taxes for. So yes, you may pay less Federally but state, county and city, property and sales taxes and so on are going to skyrocket. Bush will also see what allies we have dropping out as their countries people start voting the allies out and replacing them with people who will get out of "our" war. And rightfully or wrongfully the world percieves it as the "US's war". Already the Feds expect the cities and states to pay for all this Homeland Security BS. and you're eating away tax dollars that go to schools, and bettering the infrastructure. I have yet to hear any politician or pundit tell me why Cleveland having to layoff over 400 police and firemen is a good thing. I have yet to hear them explain how bankrupt schools and cities and social services are a good thing. I have yet to hear why the closing of VA hospitals and the renegging of Vets rights and services is a good thing. Eventually, the states and cities will go broke (there is no way they can operate without federal help when there is no industry to help their tax base). The Federal will continue paying for this war, sending BILLIONS to Isreal and invading another imminent threat (IRAN). By 2008 we'll be in economic turmoil and there won't be this shining light at the end of any tunnel. That is my fear, that is what I see W. doing. I truly hope I am wrong if he is elected but I don't see it happening. Or Bush will continue to run up record deficits and interest rates and inflation will skyrocket as the $ will be worth pennies of what it is now. Kerry, IMHO, may not be able to get us out freely, but I truly believe he won't bankrupt us nor will he stand alone. He may have to negotiate and give away aspects of Iraq to France and Germany BUt at least I believe he'll get others to absorb some of the cost and it won't be just on us. In summary I see the election like this, 4 more years of Bush, and we're where Russia is today. 4 years of Kerry, we may not be as well off as we were before Bush but at least we'll be striving in the right direction. This election is going to make or break one of the parties no matter what happens. If the GOP win and Bush does what I believe he will, the masses will be close to rebellion and the GOP will be unelectable for a very long time. If the Dems win and the economy gets better, the world views us favorably again and we are headed in the right direction the GOP is doomed. If Kerry is elected and finds out that the war is more fucked then ever let on and noone will help us.... then the Dems are done, unless in 4 years people remember it was the GOP that put us there in which case a strong 3rd party will sweep out the trash. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"