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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
sorry stompy, but that list you posted in that thread was full of inconsistencies. it really didn't prove anything but the author's partisanship.
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hm, are we talking about the same post? Probably not because there was a list mentioned a few times that was pretty factual. Those decisions Bush made DID happen. You can check em yourself. In fact, people ignored the multiple postings that showed Bush's flip flops! That's pretty funny. I guess the truth is hard to accept sometimes, eh?
That pretty much sums up politics though: you give a list of arguments against something and the other side TOTALLY ignores them and goes on like nothing ever happened. I really don't get how this country continues to operate...
If you feel they are inconsistent, then say so. You can't just sit idle and let it go unchallenged while you think in your head, "hm, these aren't right."
Sorry, but you can't have an intelligent political discussion ANYWHERE if you call Kerry a flip-flopper without acknowledging the fact that Bush does the exact same thing. It just can't happen, and if one thinks it CAN, then the discussion gets nowhere because it's like talking to a brick wall.
You can deny that the sky is blue, but in the end, it really is blue..
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The whole point of me making that thread was to try and stop all the sheep-like behavior. People just aimlessly regurgitate what they hear others say without checking the facts for themselves... or if they do, they grossly misinterpret the facts to suit their party. Both sides do it.
In this case, republicans got some weird idea to bash Kerry as a flip-flopper, which is REALLY pointless. That would be like makinga campaign against him saying, "He lies". Well, guess what? You lie. I lie. Everyone lies or has lied.
People need to realize that you can't sit here and ramble off something like this and expect to gain in advantage in a discussion, because in actuality it creates the opposite effect. Someone losing their ground and resorting to "Kerry is a flip flopper" and other hypocrisy in an attempt to slam or belittle the other person is on par with getting fed up and saying, "Yeah? Well he sucks just because." It's not very intelligent at all and makes the poster look dumb, IMO. If Bush never flip-flopped and was true to his vision, that's one thing.. but that's not the way it is.
It's not about Bush, it's not about Kerry.. it's about having intelligent discussion that goes beyond "he said/she said, so it must be true" crap.