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Originally Posted by Ustwo
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I think the problem with 'who would Jesus vote for' is that some people want to see the Government AS Jesus, as god, as the savior of all.
This is not only against what Jesus taught, but also against common sense. The government has become a golden idol for some, who provides the milk and honey, or at least cheese food product, and has removed all responsibility from the individual.
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Ahahaha. That cheese reffrence is pretty funny. I see the connection as clear as day.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
I think this is a disease born of laziness, and fostered by those who wish to exploit the lazy for their own ends by buying them off with other peoples money in order to get elected.
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110% behind you on this. People seem to not understand that one of our greatest responsibilities, as members of a (supposed) democracy is to make the right informed decisions to lead our country. We are responsible for our representatives, INCLUDING THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION.
If you voted for Bush, and you are going around bad mouthing him to people who voted for Gore, I hope you leave America. You are not what this country is supposed to be.
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Originally Posted by Ustwo
If you support me, I will take money from HIM and give it to YOU. Despotism in its most basic form. Forced labor under penalty of incarceration. I would say its no different then any pharaoh, only that would be a lie. The Egyptians owed less to the pharaoh in labor then we currently do to pay our taxes. Only the extreme wealth of our civilization, due to our constantly improving technology and unlimited energy, has allowed us to maintain this, but sooner or later it will no longer be able to sustain itself and chaos will return.
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And....you lost me. As much good as forced labor would be from a scientific standpoint, this plan lacks morality. You, just as no other person, has the right to rule all. Any one person who has (a God complex) the want to rule all people is considered to be insane. History has already showed us that a totalitarian government is less effective than deomcracy, even if the democracy is severly corrupted. We also lack the law enforcement to deal with the MASS protests that will result in such a fundamental shift in lifestyle. I wouldn't mind doing a few years of labor to earn the right to vote, but I'm very much alone on even that.
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Millions who have become accustomed gifts from the government will starve, and those who still know how to work will violently protect what is theirs.
It will of course all work out in the end, but the longer we let it go the worse will be the fall and the greater the suffering.
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Here we see a 'lack of morality' rear it's ugly head. Do you think those who are dependant of the goverment deserve to die? I don't think either of us is qualified to make such a decision. We can be mad at people for being dependant on the system, but the death of millions is hardly fair punishment.
Okay, you are thinking. THAT'S GOOD. I appreciate that you are trying to do something to solve some clear and present dangers that our world faces. More people need to take an active role in changing the world. Personally, along your line of thinking, I think it would be interesting to pinpoint certian genes that bring out murder or addictive tendancies, and not allow them to be passed on to the next generation; that is, not allow people with these genes reproduce. After a few generations, we may be able to prevent people who have severe mental disorders and such from ever existing. That is if we can't simply control the reproductive process. Sound good? Well, again we lose sight of morality.
The bottom line is this: science, logic, and morality have to play a vital role in the actions we take to try and fix our worlds problems. Without one, the others fall.