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Old 09-28-2004, 03:07 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Rdr4evr
Well you certainly did what you did not intend. Just more proof that Christians will bash others who do not agree with their religion.



Do I know who Christ is. To me he is nothing but a mere story that was put together by man to make us believe in a higher power so we can live in peace...too bad that idea failed miserably. I have come to this conclusion partly because there is no historical record of Jesus. Therefore I wont believe something just because the Church wants me to. Even if that were not the case though, I probably would still not believe for the sheer hypocrisy I explain below ( you know, the one that I don’t know the meaning of).

So you say Christ is a manifestation of god in human form, which basically means he IS God. Unless I am completely missing something here, the bible seems to state otherwise. I listed quotes below, why don’t you try and change those into another meaning as well. Maybe Jesus just enjoys speaking in both third and first person for fun.


John 7:16 "Jesus answered them and said, 'My doctrine is not mine, but His who sent me.' "

John 14:24 "He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but The Father's who sent me."

John 12:49 "For I have not spoken on my own authority; but the Father who sent me gave me a command, what I should say and what I should speak."

John 4:34 "Jesus said to them, 'My food is to do the will of Him who sent me, and to accomplish His work.' "

John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him who sent me."

Luke 22:42 "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from me; nevertheless not my will, but Yours, be done."

Matthew 20:23 "...But sitting at my right hand or my left is not mine to give. That is for those to whom it has been reserved by my Father."

John 5:19 "Verily, verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do..."

John 5:30 "I can of myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and my judgment is righteous, because I do not seek my own will but the will of the Father who sent me."

John 8:42 "Jesus said to them, 'If God were your Father, you would love me, for I proceeded and came forth from God; I came not of my own accord, but He sent me.' "

John 15:2 "My Father takes away every branch in me that bears not fruit; he purges it; that it may bring forth more fruit."

John 8:31 "You are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God”

Mark 13:32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father."

Matthew 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only."

John 7:16 So Jesus answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but His who sent me."

My comment about hypocrisy in that the only way to God is through Jesus (which are not the same) is that it denounces all other religions. If you are Muslim, Jew, etc, you will burn in hell.... why? Because you have not accepted Jesus as your Savior.

Please do enlighten me with your wisdom and knowledge, as I am nothing but a clueless idiot who doesn't know anything.
Again you are wrong. This time on an entirely different level. Jesus Christ did exist, and he was crucified. I don't know what history books you've read but he is in ACTUAL history books and he the man actually did exist. And Jesus himself says that the Jews will be taken up. Jesus himself was a Jew so you think he did not make it into heaven? Muslims believe in Allah and if you've ever read the Koran(sp?) I hear the first book is exactly the same as the bible word for word. Catholics believe that Allah is the same God we worship just called a different name. So no Christians do NOT denounce ALL other religions you're probably basing your opinions off of ignorant Protestants who don't even know the true history of the church let alone what they REALLY believe in. I have met Protestants who shun all other religions even Catholicism..they believe we "worship" the Virgin Mary which any true Catholic will tell you is completely false. And never did I "bash" you. I corrected you as I am correcting you now. I'm not even debating whether or not you "believe" in or agree with my religion which is another thing you are wrong about. I'm only correcting the untruths you keep throwing about like you actually know what you are talking about. Coming from a man who doesn't believe in any of this how would you know what a real Christian really believes? Have you ever heard of the Holy Trinity? And the idea of it? Father, Son, Holy Ghost? See I myself never said Jesus WAS God..you said that I said that. However Jesus and God himself have.

John 10:30 - Jesus says "The Father and I are one."

Hebrews 1:8,9 - God the Father speaks "<b>But unto the Son he sayeth, Thy throne oh God is forever and ever. A sceptre of thy kingdom Thou hast loved righteousness and hated iniquity; Therefore, God even Thy God hath annointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.</b>"

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