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Old 05-10-2003, 02:38 AM   #16 (permalink)
4thTimeLucky
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- "a guy can't protect his own property?"... Sure they can. They can have locks on the doors, security lights, security cameras, dogs even security guards if you want them.

- Dragonlich is right about the arms thing. Arming yourself becomes an escalating thing, until you have a country awash with them. If you are a gun owning owning family you double the chances of your family suffering a gun-related death. They don't protect they put you in danger.

- And what's with this idea that as soon as you do something wrong (trespass or burglary) you suddenly lose all your rights and its okay for Sixate or Tony Martin to start their (seemingly premeditated) killing or torture spree!!
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WE hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness -- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men,
I don't agree with the God part of the above, but it clearly states that these rights are unalienable. But, you cry, surely the robber is taking away your rights to happiness and liberty! Yes, and the next line tells you who resolves these conflicts and secures your rights - the Government. Not any crackpot with a gun and a chip on their shoulder.

- This was a 16 year old with their whole life ahead of them. They broke the law, sure. But who here hasn't broken the law? It doesn't mean that lying in wait in your home with a gun until someone illegally enters and then killing them in cold blood as they leave can ever be right.

One day you may have a kid of 16. And one day they may decide that they need the thrill or the money that breaking into another's property can give. Imagine you could decide right now whether your son was allowed to leave empty handed and be arrested or was fatally shot in the back. Which would you honestly choose?
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