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Originally Posted by willravel
What if Jesus was a magician? I've seen David Blane lift off the ground, using a technique called kings rising (btw, this technique does not require anything that was not available to people 2000 years ago), and fool everyone into honestly believing that he lifted off the ground. What if Jesus was such a person? What if he decided that the best way to get his opinions on life out was to make people believe that he fit the prophesies? I'll bet I could, using only things that were available 2000 years ago, seem to walk on water. All it takes is an imagination.
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I think most of the people here are taking the view that their faith isn't based on a con artist. I'm not arguing against it as if he were a con artist or magician. Obviously he could trick people into thinking he could do some weird and wonderful shit, but the point is that most people believe that this stuff is
genuine and actually happened without the aid of waterskis or wires.
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Originally Posted by willravel
Just because something hasen't been explained away by science does not make it invalid; whether science-based or religion-based. Logical reasoning does not 'break down' because of the possibility that the answer isn't here yet. Right now a lot of what's going on in quantum physics is borderline madness. We have answers that do not match logic. Does that make them untrue?
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Answers that do not match logic? The results are attained by a process of logical deduction and experimentation, how can they not match logic when they are a result of logic?
What you mean is that these things do not match your intuitive view of the world.
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Originally Posted by willravel
there was light on the first day (big bang), land seperating from water (solid planets and stars seperating from gasses and open space), let the water be gathered (formation of the earth), let there be lights in the sky (formation of an atmosphere)
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Who timed how long the first "day" took? With there being no Earth the concept of the "day" would not exist. I doubt anyone with any knowledge of astrophysics would agree the universe as we know it came into existence in a week.
Also, is it just me or do the next 3 events and their explanation not fit together in the slightest? How could anyone mistake land separating from water as the planets forming.
If in 2000 years time a person dug up a copy of a book or newspaper or poem from today, chances are they would be reading a biased and incomplete account with a distinct touch of sensationalism or political slant. How is it that noone can imagine this is what happened with the stories of the Bible, most of which were handed down orally for several generations before becoming a written history. Even after they were documented they were selectively edited.
If you take the Bible as truth you are just gullible.
Next week on TFP, "Is God sleeping on the job? A discussion on why there are no other records of him interacting with human kind for 2000 years".