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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
i don't pretend to have citeable evidence that homosexuality has a detrimental effect on society as a whole. my post said that i'm sure you or anyone else does not have evidence to the contrary. both sides say those things so matter-of-factly when no one knows for sure. it's just another example of demagoguery.
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Well, i can't assert that the sun will come up tomorrow, but based on my experience in sunrises up to this point i can assume that it will. When something is uncertain it is useful to make hypotheses about possible outcomes based on what we do know already. No one can absoluteley predict the future, that much is obvious. What i want to know is why you hesitate? What problems do you foresee, if any, and what is the basis for your belief that these problems need to be worried about?
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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
right... because the difference between men and women starts and stop at their genitalia? you don't believe that any more than i filtherton. as for the rest of it... i think my sig sums up my position better than i could alone.
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You missed the point of my response so let me reassert. How exactly will allowing gays to marry change the fundamental unit of our culture, the nuclear family, in a way that is significant to its purpose as it seems to be defined for this discussion, i.e. raising and socializing children? Studies have shown that children are no better or worse off when raised by gay couples as compared to straight couples. Is this change you speak of anything more than superficial?
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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
ok. but if you're going to take that stance... then you must also allow for child pornography, public nudity in all circumstances, no boundaries on decency in mass media... and the elemination of all manner of morally guided law. how can that be? because you would be taking your moral standard and enforcing it on someone else... the exact thing you are condemning in others.
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You don't understand my stance. An argument could be very easily made that child pornography is counter to the best interests of the members of our society. There are very compelling reasons to criminalize child pornography, compelling reasons which are noticeably absent from this discussion when it turns toward gay marriage. As for public nudity and broadcasting standards, europe is much more liberal than us in these regards and they seem to be doing all right. This is a scarecrow anyway.
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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
so if i oppose the church doing something i'm limiting religious freedom, yet someone opposing my opposition is innocent? seems like a one-way street to me.
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Is there something in the first amendment about your perspective superseding the rights of all others? If that is the case, then i understand where you're coming from. If not, than i regretfully inform you that not being allowed to limit the rights of others is not in and of itself a violation of your rights.