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					Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto
					
				 I know some Germans (and even some Italians) who would argue with you on that point.   
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Unfortunately the Germans are too dogmatic in only engineering under the hood of a car and it has allowed the Japanese to come in and completely pass them in regards to design and construction of the whole car.  
Disclaimer - I had 3 TL's in a row until I was recently run off the road and totaled my '03. I decided to finally cave in and went with a BMW this time around because getting the same car every time was starting to feel like something my father would do... 
