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i made no such presumption about whether it was detrimental or not. in fact, in this thread the only thing i said i was sure about was that no one could be sure. in this wrinkle of the issue... i have no position. if you call the desire for proof of neutrality for a fundamental shift in culture and values demagoguery before i ascent to its acceptance demogoguery... then i am a demagogue.
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If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
~ Winston Churchill
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