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glock20 · 09-18-2004, 04:16 PM

I think I've heard all the anti-Glock arguments.

It's ugly: Yup. It's a tool. It's not designed to be pretty. It's designed to poke holes in things.

They blow up: They blow up with bad handloads. So will any gun.

They won't shoot lead: Not entirely true. I've put probably 100# of wheelweights through my Glock 30 with no problems, as much as 400 rds. at a session. That's hard lead at slow 45acp velocities, but I know someone who uses lead 9mm and it works for him, too. It probably wouldn't go 50000 rounds without cleaning or whatever they claim in testing, but if I ever get tired of cleaning my guns, I'll sell 'em and go buy a Nintendo or something.

It doesn't fit my hand: Can't argue with that. If it doesn't feel right it your hand, get something else.

It points too high (usually compared to a 1911): 1911's point low. The 1911 grip was changed in the early days, because soldiers accustomed to revolvers didn't like the way it pointed. And it still pointed low. Glock has a closer grip angle to a revolver. Works for me, 'cause the only other gun I carry is a revolver.

Plastic is for toys: It's still a real gun. Personally, I like shooting with a plastic frame, because it seems to absorb some of the recoil. I don't get the smack in my hand like I do with a lot of steel frame guns.

The big ones:

Trigger sucks: There are other triggers available. I have the stock 5.5# trigger in my G30 (carry gun), and it seemed to get better with use. My G20 had the godawful NY trigger. I replaced it with a trigger that feels like (I don't have a guage) about 3 or 4 pounds without so much stacking. The G17 I used to have had a nice even aftermarket trigger like a Sig on single action, only a little longer. Some of the IPSC guys I know have 2# or less triggers.

No external safety: I think if there is any reason why a law enforcement agency wouldn't approve a Glock, this would be it. However, safety is in the shooter. It's been said guns don't kill people, people kill people, and that applies to deaths and injuries from negligent discharges as well. Very rarely have I heard of an injury involving an accidental discharge in which someone didn't break one of the rules of gun safety.

No one should rely on a heavy trigger pull, external safety or magazine disconnector safety, for safety.

You have to pull the trigger to field strip it: It kind of reminds me of the procedure in IPSC in which they point the pistol at the berm, and drop the hammer on the empty chamber after a course of fire to be sure the pistol is unloaded before reholstering or bagging. All I can say about that argument is be sure it's unloaded and point it in a safe place. I have to admit, I'm in the habit of checking twice before I drop the striker on my Glock to field strip.

In short, every gun has it's advantages and disadvantages. The Glock is no exception. Shooters who claim ANY gun is inherently bad are wrong. Unless they're talking about a Hi-point or something. If someone has one that works tell me how you did it. I've seen one of those in action with factory ammo, and the only thing it would have been good for is whacking someone over the head with. Just make sure it's unloaded first.

You really can't go wrong with Glocks, Berettas, Sigs, HKs, 1911s, Walthers, Kel-Tecs, revolvers, just about anything that shoots, as long as it's quality, fits your budget, your hand and whatever task you have in store.

I really like my big Ruger revolvers, my little hammerless Smith Airlite, my Glocks, because they work for ME. If you like something else, great, just don't knock my Glock.

(just my $.02 worth.)

09-18-2004, 04:16 PM	#36 (permalink)
glock20 Upright	I think I've heard all the anti-Glock arguments. It's ugly: Yup. It's a tool. It's not designed to be pretty. It's designed to poke holes in things. They blow up: They blow up with bad handloads. So will any gun. They won't shoot lead: Not entirely true. I've put probably 100# of wheelweights through my Glock 30 with no problems, as much as 400 rds. at a session. That's hard lead at slow 45acp velocities, but I know someone who uses lead 9mm and it works for him, too. It probably wouldn't go 50000 rounds without cleaning or whatever they claim in testing, but if I ever get tired of cleaning my guns, I'll sell 'em and go buy a Nintendo or something. It doesn't fit my hand: Can't argue with that. If it doesn't feel right it your hand, get something else. It points too high (usually compared to a 1911): 1911's point low. The 1911 grip was changed in the early days, because soldiers accustomed to revolvers didn't like the way it pointed. And it still pointed low. Glock has a closer grip angle to a revolver. Works for me, 'cause the only other gun I carry is a revolver. Plastic is for toys: It's still a real gun. Personally, I like shooting with a plastic frame, because it seems to absorb some of the recoil. I don't get the smack in my hand like I do with a lot of steel frame guns. The big ones: Trigger sucks: There are other triggers available. I have the stock 5.5# trigger in my G30 (carry gun), and it seemed to get better with use. My G20 had the godawful NY trigger. I replaced it with a trigger that feels like (I don't have a guage) about 3 or 4 pounds without so much stacking. The G17 I used to have had a nice even aftermarket trigger like a Sig on single action, only a little longer. Some of the IPSC guys I know have 2# or less triggers. No external safety: I think if there is any reason why a law enforcement agency wouldn't approve a Glock, this would be it. However, safety is in the shooter. It's been said guns don't kill people, people kill people, and that applies to deaths and injuries from negligent discharges as well. Very rarely have I heard of an injury involving an accidental discharge in which someone didn't break one of the rules of gun safety. No one should rely on a heavy trigger pull, external safety or magazine disconnector safety, for safety. You have to pull the trigger to field strip it: It kind of reminds me of the procedure in IPSC in which they point the pistol at the berm, and drop the hammer on the empty chamber after a course of fire to be sure the pistol is unloaded before reholstering or bagging. All I can say about that argument is be sure it's unloaded and point it in a safe place. I have to admit, I'm in the habit of checking twice before I drop the striker on my Glock to field strip. In short, every gun has it's advantages and disadvantages. The Glock is no exception. Shooters who claim ANY gun is inherently bad are wrong. Unless they're talking about a Hi-point or something. If someone has one that works tell me how you did it. I've seen one of those in action with factory ammo, and the only thing it would have been good for is whacking someone over the head with. Just make sure it's unloaded first. You really can't go wrong with Glocks, Berettas, Sigs, HKs, 1911s, Walthers, Kel-Tecs, revolvers, just about anything that shoots, as long as it's quality, fits your budget, your hand and whatever task you have in store. I really like my big Ruger revolvers, my little hammerless Smith Airlite, my Glocks, because they work for ME. If you like something else, great, just don't knock my Glock. (just my $.02 worth.)