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Old 09-16-2004, 08:52 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by OpieCunningham
Nope.
I could say the exact same thing about the Federal Gov't. There is no authority over the U.S. beyond the Federal gov't which holds it accountable in the realm of it's governance over the States which comprise it.

You seem to be concerned with some type of dictatorship aspect of an umbrella state. Is the Federal gov't a dictator over the States? Only as much as the U.N. would be a dictator over the Nations.

If you were really concerned about the dictatorship of a single governing body - how do you explain the U.S. push to police the world? Is that not even more of a dictatorship than an organization comprised of representatives of each nation? The U.S. foreign policy is actively engaged in world-wide governing and it is immune to external consideration and it is not comprised of the people it is governing. Classic dictatorship. This is why I see nothing but pure hubris from the anti-UN, pro-US crowd. They do not want democracy - they want U.S. control and attempt to label it "democracy".
i wish you would have read my post with more care.

having the U.N. as a government entity that has juridiction over the entire world is very clearly different from the U.S. federal government over the states in the union. the U.S. government has alliances and the influence of competing governments to check it's power. if the U.N. were to have command over key elements of ALL states, then no such check would exist. a very different dynamic would be in place. the U.N.'s court would be the final authority for all mankind... i don't trust anyone with that kind of power. will you not recognize the difference?

my post had nothing to do with dictatorship/democracy though if a situation like this were in place i would definitely prefer a democratic system.

the U.S. is actively engaged in all parts of the world because it must be. because unless the world's greatest superpower gives it's stamp-of-approval on a deal it often loses legitimacy, because we have the wealth to genuinely help people (and i'd love to see us do more), because the U.S. is a leader in the world and not a follower. if leadership is needed then i'd much prefer that the U.S. take burden.

i've read enough TFP to realize that we're damned if we do and damned if we don't by some people... i'm glad we don't try to appease them.
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