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smooth · 09-15-2004, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

I'm sorry, but it isnt. It is the election of representatives

PR means that every vote has equal weight towards the end result, or as far as possible. If you live in Texas it doesnt really matter so much how you vote, it is a clear Rep win.. if you live in Florida your vote is more important... this is unfair. The person who has the most votes cast for them should be president.

Strange Famous, I know what proportional voting is. The electoral college is proportional voting; but don't take my word for it, here's an explication of how that might be:

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The Electoral College

As everyone knows from the 2000 election, the United States does not use a majority rule to choose the president, rather they use a more complicated system known as the Electoral College. With some calls for the abolishment of the Electoral College, let's take a look at the College from a computer science point of view and see the rather clever device our founding fathers have created.

In short the Electoral College works as follows: 538 electors are allocated to states as the sum of the senators (2 for each state) and representatives (proportional to population). In most states, each voter picks a single candidate and the candidate that wins the most votes receives all of the electoral votes for that state. The candidate winning the majority of the electoral votes becomes president. More details here.

In computer science terms (assuming two candidates), we have a weighted majority of majorites or a depth-2 neural net. It has some properties that you would want:
Monotonicity: If a candidate wins the election and more people vote for him, he will still win.
Fairness: Barring a tie, if all the votes were switched the other candidate would win.
The College does lack symmetry, a permutation of the voters could lead to a different result. Only the simple majority function has symmetry, montonicity and fairness. But symmetry is not necessary for an election scheme.

The United States is just that, a collection of fifty states each with their own laws, cultures and economies, united under some common priciples. A simple majority would have the large populations centers overwhelm the rest of the country in choosing our leader. A majority of majorities would give some states far more power than their size would dictate. So a compromise was formed, a weighted majority of majorities to give small states some but not too much influence. The fact that this process does not always agree with majority is not a bug but a feature that preserves the balance between small and big states, rural and urban America. It also keeps balance between states of the same size, an lopsided vote in California would not overwhelm a closer vote in New York.

Some things I would change in the Electoral College: Electors should be required to vote for the candidate they represent; for each state we should have a ranked voting method instead of plurality takes all; the tie-breaking rules should be changed, now they give too much power to the small states.

The winner of the World Series in baseball is not the team that scores the most runs but the team that wins the most games, a majority of majorities and most people feel it gives a better indication of the better team. Why shouldn't elections deserve a system at least as sophisticated?

-- http://fortnow.com/lance/complog/200...l-college.html