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Locobot · 09-15-2004, 03:46 AM

It seems that the House of Commons is about to act on this issue again so it may be appropriate to resurrect this thread. Apparently the House of Commons is planning to invoke the rarely used Parliment Act in order to override the House of Lords.

As a non-hunter leftist American I oppose the ban on Fox hunting. This thread was started with the question whether we feel that fox hunting is cruel or not. I agree that it's cruel, but guess what, mother nature's a cruel-ass bitch. I approach hunting issues understanding that hunting is necessary to maintain species' populations when the natural predators have been killed off. This is how I gauge hunting issues in my country, I typically oppose hunting in ecosystems where populations of predators are present or could feasibly be revived. Such areas exist in the U.S., but there are very few in the UK.

The Fox's natural predator, the wolf, has been eradicated from the isles for over 300 years. Previous to human encroachment Foxes were hunted by packs of dogs and torn apart in a very cruel fashion. Wild Wolves and other predators exhibit the same type of gaming attitude as domesticated dogs. By "gaming attitude" I refer to the playfulness that the dogs show in hunting, baiting, and killing their prey. The dogs enjoy exercising their natural instincts to hunt and kill. "Cruelty," lets remember, is a human invention and doesn't exist in the natural world.

I see this issue as an extension of the town and country dynamic that shapes internal British politics. The hunts are opposed for being cruel by non-hunting, city-dwelling, and middle class people. The hunts are championed by the country aristocracy who see the need to both maintain the Fox population and preserve a cultural tradition. In this case, country is right.

Animal husbandry and domestication exist in every civilization, but were perfected on the British Isles in the form of dog hunts. No use of animals is as complex as the multiple dog breeds and horses used in a traditional Fox hunt. The way British ancestors bred and trained different animals for this specific task is, to me, amazing and something that needs to be preserved. Dog hunts are part of that "dead white culture" that it isn't politically correct to say should be maintained. Political correctness be damned when it comes to dog hunts, I say.

If you Britons are so keen on ditching part of your cultural heritage how about you start by scraping your worthless royalty

09-15-2004, 03:46 AM	#6 (permalink)
Locobot is awesome!	It seems that the House of Commons is about to act on this issue again so it may be appropriate to resurrect this thread. Apparently the House of Commons is planning to invoke the rarely used Parliment Act in order to override the House of Lords. As a non-hunter leftist American I oppose the ban on Fox hunting. This thread was started with the question whether we feel that fox hunting is cruel or not. I agree that it's cruel, but guess what, mother nature's a cruel-ass bitch. I approach hunting issues understanding that hunting is necessary to maintain species' populations when the natural predators have been killed off. This is how I gauge hunting issues in my country, I typically oppose hunting in ecosystems where populations of predators are present or could feasibly be revived. Such areas exist in the U.S., but there are very few in the UK. The Fox's natural predator, the wolf, has been eradicated from the isles for over 300 years. Previous to human encroachment Foxes were hunted by packs of dogs and torn apart in a very cruel fashion. Wild Wolves and other predators exhibit the same type of gaming attitude as domesticated dogs. By "gaming attitude" I refer to the playfulness that the dogs show in hunting, baiting, and killing their prey. The dogs enjoy exercising their natural instincts to hunt and kill. "Cruelty," lets remember, is a human invention and doesn't exist in the natural world. I see this issue as an extension of the town and country dynamic that shapes internal British politics. The hunts are opposed for being cruel by non-hunting, city-dwelling, and middle class people. The hunts are championed by the country aristocracy who see the need to both maintain the Fox population and preserve a cultural tradition. In this case, country is right. Animal husbandry and domestication exist in every civilization, but were perfected on the British Isles in the form of dog hunts. No use of animals is as complex as the multiple dog breeds and horses used in a traditional Fox hunt. The way British ancestors bred and trained different animals for this specific task is, to me, amazing and something that needs to be preserved. Dog hunts are part of that "dead white culture" that it isn't politically correct to say should be maintained. Political correctness be damned when it comes to dog hunts, I say. If you Britons are so keen on ditching part of your cultural heritage how about you start by scraping your worthless royalty Last edited by Locobot; 09-15-2004 at 03:52 AM..