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Old 09-14-2004, 07:30 PM   #65 (permalink)
Fred181
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Originally Posted by Rdr4evr
Do you honestly believe "Dubya" cares for the Iraqis?
I absolutely do not believe that. I am fully aware of the political and economic reasons that led Bush to invade another country, however does that make a difference in the long run? If (and I emphisize the if) Iraq is left in a better situation when this is all over is that not what matters? While I will not agree that Sadam was a threat to the U.S., I do think that he was a tyranical and ruthless leader of his country. If Iraq can pull through its current difficulties wasn't the removal of Sadam in the end a goood thing?

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If as you claim, all soldiers are not in fact brainwashed....why go fight for something that one does not believe in?
I am glad that you are able to go through your life doing only what YOU want to do. You love your job, you only go to work when you feel like it etc etc. The men and women in Iraq are not all there because they want to be, but they made a commitment to do something. They made a commitment that they would respond when they're nation needed them. When deployed for the War in Afghanistan I did not want to go live in a tent when it was 120 degrees outside I didn't want to go off to war but I made a commitment to my country and while I don't feel that the operations in Iraq are just, that does not stop me from the commitment I made because someday my country will call upon me for something that truly is just.

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That would make them the true cowards.
Coward: "One who shows ignoble fear in the face of danger or pain."

How does fighting for a cause that you don't neccesarily believe in make someone a coward? AND more than 40% of the country still agrees with the war in Irag; Does that mean that they are all brainwashed because they do not hold the same opinion as you?

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If a man rapes or murders, does he deserve death? Absolutely. Will I be the one delivering it? No.
1. An Anti-War activist that believes in corpral punishment? I don't see how you can say that a person that has commited 1 murder, or a rapist that has never even taken a life should be victim of a state execution, while an Iraqi that has killed multiple people is "innocent".
2. I can appreciate your feelings of being unable to kill another person, however I have a hard time with not having a problem with it when someone else is doing it. From a moral standpoint how can you justify something as "right" when you are unable to carry out the same action? If you can't bring yourself to do it personally, is it still "right"?

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But in my opinion, the death that war causes is the most unnecessary death of all, and a soldier, be it American or Iraqi, is no better than a rapist or murderer in my eyes, especially the sick ones you mention.
Well, I guess there is no arguing with your opinion...

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I can guarantee you it won’t be someone innocent, i.e. the people you and your buddies are killing in Iraq.
First of all, Xepherys has stated repeatedly that he is not in Iraq. Second, It is interesting that you would call the Iraqi soldiers dying "innocent". Where those same Iraqi soldiers "innocent" when they invaded Kuwait, killing hundreds? When they used Chemical weapons on the Kurdish refugees? Are there truly innocent people, "civilians", dying? Yes. Are some of them dying at the hands of US soldiers? Yes, some of them are... However, I think your view of the average US soldier is very misplaced and (with the exception of your views on killing) I don't understand where they come from. Having only know one soldier, how can you make an informed judgment on how they feel about war, and killing? Because you watched Full Metal Jacket? Because you watch the nightly news? I know many, many people serving in the military that have no desire to go to Iraq. I know many people that have seen, and been a part of military conflicts, and not one of them enjoyed having to kill people. The images of the deaths haunt them.

And for this one time under this topic I will agree with you Rdr4evr, there is no sense arguing a point that we will never agree on so I'm done.
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