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Originally Posted by xepherys
Again I disagree... I take orders from officers appointed above me. The president has yet to call me up and ask me to kill some poor Iraqi children. I go to war under no pretenses at all. Iraq was not a threat to us... yet. *shrug* Saddam Hussein WAS a threat to his people, as was seen by the genocide that occured in Iraq. I don't believe in the existance of an "Axis of Evil" at all. Just because the President has created a new buzz phrase does not mean all soldiers are brainwashed to believe such a thing exists. I do believe, however, that there are evil people in the world. There are some soldiers and marines I've come across that have a psychotic attitude, but I assure you that most in the military do not feel that way.
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By your logic we should go into every country with a bad leader and blow them to shit, correct? Since you seem to care deeply for the poor Iraqis that suffered under Saddams regime, why not go get rid of Castro as well? Probably because they have no resources America is in need of. Do you honestly believe "Dubya" cares for the Iraqis? Iraq was in a better situation before this useless war ever began. If as you claim, all soldiers are not in fact brainwashed....why go fight for something that one does not believe in? That would make them the true cowards. Bush needs to worry about the shit load of problems in his own country before bombing for "democracy" in others. Peace is much less likely in Iraq as well as the rest of the world because of this senseless war.
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Again, you cannot say what my reasons are... only I can determine my own reasons for doing something. Whether you like it or not, I'm here to serve you as much as anyone else. On a side note, if a cop shoots someone in self defense, is he an evil, hell-bound murderer as well? You say killing is wrong 100% of the time. I'm curious if you really believe that.
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Killing is wrong 99% of the time FOR ME. I don’t think I could ever kill someone unless under truly extreme circumstances. If a man rapes or murders, does he deserve death? Absolutely. Will I be the one delivering it? No. But in my opinion, the death that war causes is the most unnecessary death of all, and a soldier, be it American or Iraqi, is no better than a rapist or murderer in my eyes, especially the sick ones you mention. Or maybe I'm full of shit and will kill someone one day, but I can guarantee you it won’t be someone innocent, i.e. the people you and your buddies are killing in Iraq. And please accept the fact that you are not serving me.
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How does my correlation with nazi soldiers have anything to do with an excuse for me? I don't think there is any excuse to kill any innocent people at all. a) No soldier is innocent. As soon as you put on a uniform and fight against me, you are my enemy, whether you're my brother, a stranger or anyone else. b) I do not think wanton violence is the answer, and that is not what occurs in wartime, even in Iraq. I'm not lying to myself about anything. Again, please do not make assumptions on my behalf. If my views are different than yours, that does not constitute "lying to" myself.
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I don’t know you well enough to make those comments, but that is the only reason I can think of for you to have that opinion.
In all likelyhood, we could argue this till the thread reaches 200 pages, but I don’t feel it is necessary to debate this anymore. I respect you for the fact that you can have a civilized conversation without resorting to infantile behavior like a lot of users in the politics board seem to do quite often. But it is for the most part useless to continue this.