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Old 09-14-2004, 05:35 PM   #66 (permalink)
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i said when i first posted here that i do not think arafat any prize.
but you use arafat to avoid thinking about the fact of occupation.

i do not understand your committment to painting israel as a victim.

i try to point discussion at what the idf is doing every day to people on the ground in the west bank primarily, and you shift things back to a vague image of israelis as victims.
i do not see it, not because i doubt that what you say about living in a tense situation on account of bombings, etc., but because you will not look at either the overwhelming material and logistical assymetry between the idf and palestinians, you will not address the every day brutalization of palestinians--militia and civilians alike--by the idf under the veil of counter-terrorism.....
and you will not talk about one of the real causes of this whole problem---israeli settlement policies----which i have to assume you do not address because you support them even as you recognize that they are responsible for rendering every single israeli move for peace hollow.
yet somehow you find a way to try to paint israel as the dame edna, who, like her, gives and gives and gives.

you will not even start to consider that it is not only possible but is simple fact that israeli actions create and maintain the conditions that prompt people to nihilist actions like suicide...you seem almost unwilling to think about palestinians caught in this absurd, brutal situation as human beings, preferring to focus on general denunciations of the plo leadership, as if that was not in itself and already caught up in the deflecting of opinion away from the israeli role in creating the situation that results in civilian deaths on both sides.
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