View Single Post
Old 09-14-2004, 08:57 AM   #60 (permalink)
roachboy
 
roachboy's Avatar
 
Super Moderator
Location: essex ma
whatever you might think of basing political claims in real time on religious texts--a move which, in principle, i would deplore--the fact is that it is no longer relevant, like i said above: israel is a fact, it is a regional superpower, no combination of neighboring states is in a position to do anything to remove them, and most have stopped even considering it.

nothing--nothing--justifies the treatment being handed to the palestinians.
nothing justifies the settlement program.
nothing justifies the wall.


however, since so many posts act as though it is impossible for the posters to seperate israel as it current is from the longer-term narratives that situate it for them, let's think about some of what has been said above:

if one of the main justification of the state of israel sits on the basis of the holocaust, on the basis of having experienced in horrifying measure the effects of racism/religious persecution, why would the same state then allow itself to become party to this kind of conflict, to inflict it on another group--who should know better the consequences of it than israelis? why is this religious/racist discourse around at all?

even if you blame the surrounding countries for starting it by referring to teh antisemitism that too often permeates their opposing discourse, even then, why on earth would the israeli right in particular allow themselves to drift into this kind of discourse themselves? how is this not a betrayal of the most fundamental principles on which the state was founded in the first place?

and as an aside:
there IS an israeli left.
these kinds of questions a very prominent within that political space--i think they are fundamental issues that need to be thought about, need to be addressed--just as there has been a significant element of zionism that worked for a coexistence with the palestinians--an element that seems to have lost, sadly for everyone..the obvious point here is that neither israeli politics nor zionism is a single thing.
__________________
a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle
spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear

it make you sick.

-kamau brathwaite
roachboy is offline  
 

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360