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Old 09-13-2004, 08:11 PM   #61 (permalink)
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You do blindly bow to you’re leader for the very fact that you take orders (lies) and go to war under false pretenses. Had you known Iraq was not a threat to us, you would probably have not gone. (Your govt. is masters at brainwashing, so chances are you do think Iraq is part of the "axis of evil") I say you don’t have remorse because you go out there and would do it again without second thought. I personally do not know a lot of soldiers except one, and his view is for the most part violent. He talks about how he enjoys killing people....that is beside the point though. I don’t base my opinion on a couple of soldiers I meet, I base it on what I know is right and wrong.
Again I disagree... I take orders from officers appointed above me. The president has yet to call me up and ask me to kill some poor Iraqi children. I go to war under no pretenses at all. Iraq was not a threat to us... yet. *shrug* Saddam Hussein WAS a threat to his people, as was seen by the genocide that occured in Iraq. I don't believe in the existance of an "Axis of Evil" at all. Just because the President has created a new buzz phrase does not mean all soldiers are brainwashed to believe such a thing exists. I do believe, however, that there are evil people in the world. There are some soldiers and marines I've come across that have a psychotic attitude, but I assure you that most in the military do not feel that way.



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First off, it does not matter to me what the majority thinks. Secondly, you state you put your life at stake for ALL individuals in this country, so I will have to repeat myself. Iraq was not a threat to me or anyone in this country; therefore you put your life on the line for Bush's personal agenda. I don’t want to be represented by any soldiers, none of them fight for my life, and my life is in my creator’s hands, not yours or your comrades.
Again, you cannot say what my reasons are... only I can determine my own reasons for doing something. Whether you like it or not, I'm here to serve you as much as anyone else. On a side note, if a cop shoots someone in self defense, is he an evil, hell-bound murderer as well? You say killing is wrong 100% of the time. I'm curious if you really believe that.



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Yes, we will never agree on this as are morals are extremely different. I apologize, you are right about religion being spiritual. I do not believe in organized religion, but I do believe in a higher power. Be it God or aliens, I'm just talking about my creator. I do believe in an afterlife too, so I guess it’s a different idea of religion. I'll say this though, if you believe Nazi soldiers are in "heaven”; that gives you an excuse to kill as many innocent people as you please without worrying about the consequences in the next life. You are lying to yourself so you could have a good conscience.
How does my correlation with nazi soldiers have anything to do with an excuse for me? I don't think there is any excuse to kill any innocent people at all. a) No soldier is innocent. As soon as you put on a uniform and fight against me, you are my enemy, whether you're my brother, a stranger or anyone else. b) I do not think wanton violence is the answer, and that is not what occurs in wartime, even in Iraq. I'm not lying to myself about anything. Again, please do not make assumptions on my behalf. If my views are different than yours, that does not constitute "lying to" myself.
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