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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
i think ustwo touched on something that isn't well recognized by those who dislike Bush. it is sometimes forgotten that there are many people who fully support Bush.
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Well, I think you'll find that I predicated my entire thread upon the first principle that at
least 85% of voters already know who they support. In fact, in a recent NPR broadcast that was retransmitted in Australia, the figure they used was 89%. That is, 89% of voters already knew who they would vote for.
Now, as it is generally agreed that the election will be a close one, that implies that approximately 44% of voters will vote for Bush.
I made that clear.
It is
of course a "significant number" and one I
did not overlook. In fact, it is a fact that I explicitly called out before proceeding with the basis of my thread.
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in fact, i would wager that there are more Bush supporters (as in those who like the President specifically) than Kerry supporters (discounting those who will only vote Kerry to be anti-Bush).
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And I don't necessarily disagree with you. Hence the title to my thread.
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when it seems that the country is out of control because a president is elected that no one you know likes... perhaps it is because the crowd you run with is a bit insulated from what a huge percentage of the country values.
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If that is directed to me in particular, you are again making an error of fact. I do not "run with" any particular group of people. I'm stating an opinion on why I believe that Bush will probably win the election. Please do not get caught up in partisan mud-slinging!
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all this tinfoil hat business is a bit offensive to conservatives.
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I must have missed something. What tinfoil hat business? To me, at least, that implies some kind of "alien abduction" nonesense.
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i don't even think that is realized by those who propagate it. to come to grips with the country electing a President that is so fundamentally unlike them, people often make up wild reasons why that would be. i.e. stolen elections, karl rove bogey-mans, big oil money, GWB being controlled by henchman and all manner of conspiracy theories. to top it all off, if one of those theories isn't assumed then the natural alternative is that people are too dumb to see it your way.
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Well, I once again
explicitly stated that I believe the Republicans are supported by a great deal of very intelligent and able people. You can't get much more qualified than Colin Powell of Condeleeza Rice for example. So if you're aiming that criticism at me, it's unwarranted.
I do
NOT think, nor have I
EVER stated that I think Bush supporters are stupid. I have stated that I think Bush himself is stupid and that's my opinion. If the President of the United States of America
repeatedly engages in malapropisms, truisms, solecisms and (if we move on from grammatical errors) seems to make fundamental mistakes or saltations in reasoning, then I think it goes some way to explain why I have such an opinion.
Now don't get me wrong. I do not think Bush is some evil conspirator, who is trying to control the known world. I do not think Bush is a compulsive liar. I
do believe that, at a fundamental level, he is a good man doing what he believes is best. The problem irate, is that I don't agree with him. And I think he's in a bit over his head and is probably being influenced by others.
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how very mindlessly arrogant.
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Well I take exception to that statement. I respect your difference of opinion. I even understand it. But I never call you mindlessly arrogant simply for the reason that you
have an alternative opinion.
That, to me, is what is mindlessly arrogant. Not the fact that we disagree, but that you feel it necessary to insult me for said disagreement.
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what is seldom personally ascented to by Bush haters is that their worldview is significantly different from that of millions upon millions of their fellow well-informed and educated citizens. it's a foreign idea to many of them that it is they who are out of touch with the aspirations of the country at large.
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And the exact same argument could be used by those who do not support Bush. That millions of well-informed and educated citizens disagree with his policies. In fact, it could be argued that MORE of them disagree with his policies, as it is a verified fact that Bush lost the popular vote.
So what's your point?
Yours, with the greatest repect,
Mr Mephisto