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smooth · 09-13-2004, 02:16 PM

I dont know how much longer I can keep going with these points:

Your mom analogy doesn't square with what happened. If we want to keep using it we'll need to modify it to read: if she said I couldn't have a candy bar and I picked up a chocolate covered trail mix bar, yeah, she'd probably have to let me eat it by her rules but next time the shit won't fly very far despite being within the limits of the rule because it'll be pretty clear that I'm not supposed to be eating chocolate or sugar or whatever. I don't know of any parent who would agree with me that the rule was silly because, after all, it didn't prevent me from getting a similar type of bar than the one prohibited. They'd think I was being a smartass--and I would be just because I'd want a candy bar. That's skating the line.

A gun can't have a folding stock without a pistol grip. How would you hold it and shoot it? Perfectly legal and perfectly unusable. I'm going by your comments here, but in Oregon it wasn't legal to buy a foldable stock at all--so I'm not sure if that was state law or if you are incorrect about whether a folding stock is perfectly legal.

Both guns allow me to "spray" just as quickly as I can pull the trigger. The bottom one, however, runs out of bullets faster than the top one and I have to unlatch the clip before changing it instead of just popping a latch. My SKS with the legal clip was a pain in the ass to change. My folding stock, which I illegally converted from a non-foldable stock with a plastic pin in it (yeah, the manufacture is certainly partly culpable knowing full well anyone is going to just grind the pin out) was easily concealable in a T-shirt. And it was a snap to use out of the side of a car (from what I hear, anyway :{}).

Neither my sks (which eventuallly looked and acted just like your 'ak-ish' example) nor my Tech-9, nor the AR-15 we had use of were 3K. More like $50-100. I should mention that while they were street purchased and used illicitly, they have since been destroyed by law enforcement. Until this ban expired, those three weapons could never be obtained legally again.

btw, thanks for the discussion, too. We can't seem to see eye to eye on some of our points and I'm gettin frustrated. If it came through in my post, sorry. I'm going to bow out of the discussion now.

09-13-2004, 02:16 PM	#41 (permalink)
smooth Junkie Location: Right here	I dont know how much longer I can keep going with these points: Your mom analogy doesn't square with what happened. If we want to keep using it we'll need to modify it to read: if she said I couldn't have a candy bar and I picked up a chocolate covered trail mix bar, yeah, she'd probably have to let me eat it by her rules but next time the shit won't fly very far despite being within the limits of the rule because it'll be pretty clear that I'm not supposed to be eating chocolate or sugar or whatever. I don't know of any parent who would agree with me that the rule was silly because, after all, it didn't prevent me from getting a similar type of bar than the one prohibited. They'd think I was being a smartass--and I would be just because I'd want a candy bar. That's skating the line. A gun can't have a folding stock without a pistol grip. How would you hold it and shoot it? Perfectly legal and perfectly unusable. I'm going by your comments here, but in Oregon it wasn't legal to buy a foldable stock at all--so I'm not sure if that was state law or if you are incorrect about whether a folding stock is perfectly legal. Both guns allow me to "spray" just as quickly as I can pull the trigger. The bottom one, however, runs out of bullets faster than the top one and I have to unlatch the clip before changing it instead of just popping a latch. My SKS with the legal clip was a pain in the ass to change. My folding stock, which I illegally converted from a non-foldable stock with a plastic pin in it (yeah, the manufacture is certainly partly culpable knowing full well anyone is going to just grind the pin out) was easily concealable in a T-shirt. And it was a snap to use out of the side of a car (from what I hear, anyway :{}). Neither my sks (which eventuallly looked and acted just like your 'ak-ish' example) nor my Tech-9, nor the AR-15 we had use of were 3K. More like $50-100. I should mention that while they were street purchased and used illicitly, they have since been destroyed by law enforcement. Until this ban expired, those three weapons could never be obtained legally again. btw, thanks for the discussion, too. We can't seem to see eye to eye on some of our points and I'm gettin frustrated. If it came through in my post, sorry. I'm going to bow out of the discussion now. __________________ "The theory of a free press is that truth will emerge from free discussion, not that it will be presented perfectly and instantly in any one account." -- Walter Lippmann "You measure democracy by the freedom it gives its dissidents, not the freedom it gives its assimilated conformists." -- Abbie Hoffman Last edited by smooth; 09-13-2004 at 02:25 PM..