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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
I like Israel, I like them a lot. They're scrappy and resilient. I would always stand behind Israel as an ally in the Middle East, thats not to say I would not work to help out the Palestinians.
People in the Mid East need a reality check, Israel is here to stay, and if they feel so inclined they can try and do something about it again, and get the snot kicked out of them for the 5+ time in 50 odd years.
I would hope the Palestinians would one day wise up and realize just how big of a douche Arafat is, and at the same time realize that groups like Hamas, Al Aqsa, and Hezbollah are not a means to help their situation. Also I would suggest that they turn their attention to how their "neighbor's" and "Arab brothers" and "Muslim brothers" are pimping the fuck out of them and their horrible plight.
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I know your obviously very pro Israel, I’m glad your have a constructive view of the other side as well. I agree with you; Israel is here to stay. Who is they? The Palestinians or the surrounding countries in general? I think many do understand Arafat needs to "retire". I believe the ones that matter most in influencing policy want him gone. The populous in general view him as a symbol in a situation where they have been ignored. If not it’s my belief he would have been overturned long ago. He is also every bit of extremists as Zionists are; believing that the entire are is Palestine. That surely doesn’t help them.
The groups you mention differ from Arafat in their agenda is not to reclaim what they had prior to WWII, but to have control and sanctuary in the areas set forth by the UN; the same entity that recognized Israel's statehood. It's hard to gauge whether attacks would continue if the illegal settlements would just leave, because it will unfortunately; never happen. The bottom line is if this continues or it is allowed to continue to the end; the superiority of the IDF via the US will overtake the Palestinians. It seems the only way that will happen is to completely exterminate them which is also feasible. It is not unreasonable to think that as a general view the Palestinians will fight to their death; this equals a significant loss of innocent life by all accords. This also takes into account that it’s probable the rest of Earth may not agree and who know implications that can mean.
In the occupied territories; the Jewish settlements are expanding. In simple terms- daily Jewish settlers construct simple fencing expanding the area they have settled on. The problem is this expansion is going on someone else’s property. If the Palestinian farmer protests the settler who sees his action ordained by God; he is seen as a terrorist. He then has to contend with the IDF. This is going on every day in the West Bank and still in Gaza (which is a joke, but another issue). Take this situation and fast forward a little- isn’t it pretty clear what’s going on here. If your neighbor decided to extend his property by cutting into yours with his fence what are you going to do about? What is you were arrested if you did; and found by a group of his peers that you have no right to contest it; where does that place your mindset? What do you think the Palestinians should do?
Can you explain how they are being “pimped”?