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Originally Posted by Meridae'n
I guess this highlights the main difference in our opinions... i do not think that immigrating illegally is a "fairly minor, victimless crime". I, and most of the developed world, see this as a very serious crime that can lead to the immigration of very dangerous people. I guess this makes me paranoid, but I want to know the background of every person that moves to my country. If these people can't get refugee status, there's a reason. If they don't want to use the correct avenues to citizenship, there's a reason.
It certainly is an injustice that this man has lost 7 years of his life, in fact, it's a tragedy, unfortunately not an isolated tragedy. Believe me I have sympathy for this man.
You seem like an intelligent person Kostya, so I ask you this:
a) What do we do with the people that are being held in detention?
b) Do you believe that rate of boat people will increase if we assimilate the detainees into our society? What do we do with future boat people?
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So you're saying it's a SERIOUS crime because it could lead to dangerous people immigrating...
Interesting. So, you believe it's a serious crime for a decent human being to immigrate illegally, based solely on the fact that it could lead to a dangerous person immigrating. You are holding the decent person responsible and culpable for
the possibility of someone dangerous possibly immigrating into our country and doing something actually criminal. Forgive me if I find this somewhat unjust. Frankly, I don't think that it's a serious crime whatsoever on the part of this man, nor do I think that even a psychotic nutcase who immigrated illegally performed a serious crime by doing so. He may commit a serious crime later, but his illegal immigration is hardly a serious infraction of Australian law. I mean if Martin Bryant had jay walkd right before he started shooting, people wouldn't call it a serious crime, despite the identity of the perpetrator.
In answer to your question:
1. Upgrade their facilities and keep them in humane conditions instead of their current accomodation. Moreover, commit more human resources to quickly resolving issues of identity and criminality so as to minimise as much as possible the period of detention. Alternatively assimilate them into society the way they do in Britain.
2. Possibly, assimilate them too.