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Old 09-10-2004, 06:36 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by roachboy
there is nothing interesting in this. strangefamous said it quite well--there is a ton of documentation available about the international arms market and the willingness of manufacturers to sell anything to anyone--including, prominently, american-based firms--which is not surprising given that the americans are the world largest arms exporter by something like a factor of 10. you might think about the linkage between this arms market and "terrorism" and about how it is only really the arms manufacturers who benefit from the circle implied by linking the two.

why is it surprising that american, german, french, chinese, czech etc etc etc, (products of all the major players in the arms trade) arms are being used by both sides to kill each other in iraq--not to mention almost any other bloody conflict abroad in the world?

obviously, for political advantage, in "revealing" this obvious fact in the context of iraq, it would be important to omit the american involvement in selling weapons before the war---but there is evidence to refute this and its story well-known.....

the international arms trade is the finest example of capitalism in action. nothing matters but cash.
if you support unlimited gun ownership, you have no choice but to embrace all the consequences of arms trafficking, international and domestic.
the massacres enabled by the international arms trade is the finest demonstration of the way in which gun ownership sets you free.
Actually there is something interesting in this in the context of my original post (at least to me). Like I mentioned, one of the key arguments against the war seems to be the appeasement of other nations wishes. Its pretty clear that they opposed the war for their own economical interests (wich in this case appear to undermine our national security). If it would have made them more money to support the war, they would have. The loss of life or oppressiveness of what we have done (if you want to see it that way) is really not why they opposed the war. My point is not wether halliburton or any of the other scandals is worse or just as bad as this.. its that I dont think the argument can be made by any rational person that we need to somehow pull out of Iraq or do this or that to appease these countries because they are *gasp* mad at us. They only pretend to be mad for their own gain and is an attempt to sway our politics in their favor.

If you have other great reasons for disagreeing with the war, fine. Im just trying to paint this particular argument as bogus.
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