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Old 09-05-2004, 06:15 PM   #29 (permalink)
OpieCunningham
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Originally Posted by Seaver
To give cause/effect is to ignore a persons right to choose the illogical. At anytime I can get a gun and shoot my neighbor, without any cause. While choices can be guided, coerced and manipulated they can never be fully controled. So saying cause/effect effects every person denies them the right of choosing the wrong decision which includes blowing up women and children in persuit of a stupid idea.
Of course. There will always be relatively random occasions of terrorism. Such as Oklahoma. To some small degree, the society of America is oppressive which is the cause of crime, violence and internal terrorism. To a vastly more significant degree, the Middle East is oppressive. There will always be insanity - but insanity is not born of dust, it materializes more readily through massive suffering. The insanity of child molestation typically comes from growing up in an abussive childhood. It is not a random occurence. The same principle applies to terrorism.

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Actually I see it the same way as arresting theives and murderers. No you havent stopped the crime from being committed, and in no way will it prevent every single other person from thereon out, but you divert many other people away from following in their footsteps.
The methods we have choosen thus far to combat terrorism are much more akin to the death penalty for certain murderers. I do not advocate eliminating methods to prevent crimes - but there is no evidence that revenge tactics such as the death penalty does anything to stem the tide of murders.

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You're looking at the problem as it it's solvable, I look at the problem as if it isnt, but we can hold it to a minimum.
Indeed - I firmly believe it is possible to relieve the overwhelming suffering that promotes the growth of insanity that leads to terrorism. I do not believe it is possible to destroy terrorism in the expectation that people will fear insanity and therefore accept their life of suffering.

You concept of holding it to a minimum is false. Continuing with the tactics as we have, attempting to solve the symptoms without addressing the root cause, will do nothing to slow it. In fact, it only leads to additional aggrivation of the root cause.
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