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cmc -- most of your arguments are obviously invalid. I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader. But you say Jesus never calls anyone a sinner -- well, perhaps. But he calls people "Satan" and "White-Washed tombs", he whips a group of merchants out of the temple, and chides people for actions which they know are wrong. And this is how I try to talk to people about original sin, when it comes up. Not that they are born in sin, but that they have sinned. Most people, when asked if they've ever done anything wrong, will admit that at some point they have.
SecretMethod -- I'm pretty sure that the Catholic Church does not in fact teach that salvation can come through any of the world religions. Do you have a quote from the catechism or a council?
Tophat -- well sure, it's by faith, but it's not like I'm just making this up off the top of my head. There is evidence for the claims I make about Christ, evidence of both the philosophical and the historical sort. The claim that Christ was married, while not directly contradicted by any of the evidence as far as I know, seems a bit far-fetched. Certainly someone would have mentioned this. The idea he was pulled down from the cross before he died also seems far-fetched. Weren't there Roman soldiers watching? And wouldn't they be able to tell whether or not the guy on the cross had died? And I'm tired of the idea that Paul invented something that had nothing to do with what Jesus taught. Peter and John were still alive at the time, and if anyone knew what Jesus 'really' taught, it was them. But by all accounts, they supported Paul's teachings. Sure we read Paul alot. But we also read the best accounts of what Jesus taught, not to mention the OT (Pastor just finished a series on Nehemiah). Don't you think we've noticed the tensions by now?
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"Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht."
"The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm."
-- Friedrich Nietzsche
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