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Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto
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What about the Navy SEALs disasterous assault on Patilla Airfield? 5 SEALs killed, 8 seriously wounded, retreat, ignominy, failure.
I'm not knocking anyone, but don't be so sure you're teams are always right or the best.
You'll hate me saying this, but even the lauded SpecOps action depicted in BlackHawk Down is evidence of a fuck-up, poor planning and unnecessary deaths. Even more would have been experienced if the Pakistani UN troops had not arrived to bail your Delta Force guys out.
I'm not arguing against that. I'm quite certain, in fact, that you would do your utmost to save them. I'm just posing a hypothetical question to show that this kind of terrorist hostage situation is very complex and not easy to resolve. I'm not specifically "attacking" US Forces or American tactics.
Mr Mephisto
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*blatant attempt to get thread back on topic*
Different situations and missions. I agree, they are fuckups, but they're not on the same level that I would put the Tehran cluster fuck. I agree, it is a very complex situation, sometimes all you can do is just breach, bang, shoot and hope for the best, especially if your policy is to not negotiate with terrorists. I know these teams aren't always going to win, because you'll always have REMFs (Rear Echelon Mother Fuckers) trying to cover their own asses and that complicates things more than they need to. Also, you've got lots of shit that can happen (Murphy's Law) and they try and prepare for the most contingencies as possible, but sometimes things just go hairy on their own. I think I kind of misunderstood your post, sorry about that, because you make excellent points. I provided a tactical analysis that is very probable if they're able to start such an operation. However, they could very well bring in their "negotiator" (tactical liar would be a better name) and tell them that killing children won't help your image, let them go. Killing women doesn't look so hot either, etc. etc. Until you get down to a very low amount of people and the risks of killing civilians in an operation that eventually takes down the bad guys, dead or alive, most likely dead though.