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Willravel · 09-02-2004, 09:19 PM

Okay original sin. This is really complicated, so if you don't care, read on.

What is original sin? Original sin is that total corruption of our whole human nature which we have inherited from Adam through our parents. Psalms 51:5 I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. (NKJV) John 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to the Spirit. Romans 5:12 Sinentered the world through one man, and death through original sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned. Ephesians 4:22 Put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts.

What has original sin done to human nature? Original sin :
A. has brought guilt and condemnation to all people; Romans 5:19 Through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners. Epesians 2:3 Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.
B. has left everyone without true fear and love of God, that is, spiritually blind, dead, and enimies of God; Genesis 8:21 Every inclination of his [man’s] heart is evil from childhood. 1 Corinthians 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, an he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. Ephesians 2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins. Romans 8:7 The sinful mind is hostile to God. It cannot submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
C. causes everyone to commit actual sins. Matthew 7:17 Every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. Galations 5:19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discard, jelousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like.

What happened to Jesus?
1) If God would have simply said, “I forgive you”, then we’d all be a bunch of non sinning christian robots. Ultimately, God (probably) used His son in this way in order for us to understand his sympathy and love for us. What kind of supreme being would just forgive us for nothing? He needed us to understand that we were, by nature, breaking God’s rules. We sin. You sin, I sin. According to the bible the punishment for sin is death. Just death. That means hell. Eternal life was only given to those without sin, which were aprox. none of us. So God took pity on us, poor sinners. He showed us that He was a God of mercy and a just God. He sent His only Son to suffer for all mankind. All Jesus life on Earth, he was treated very badly. He was able to spread the Word, but the persecutaion and torture he recieved was considered the greatest in history.

What does the Bible teach us about Christ’s life, suffering, and death?
They teach that Christ:
A. endured paverty, contempt, and persecution in His earthly life; 2 Corinthians 8:9 Thought He was rich, yet for your sakes He becamse poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich. Mathew 8:20 Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man [Jesus] has no place to lay His head. Isiah 53:3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces He was despised, and we esteemed Him not. John 8:40 You are determined to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Bible narrative: At His birth Jesus had only strips of cloth and a manger (Luke 2:7). Herod tried to murder Him, but He escaped to Egypt (Matt. 2:13). In Nazareth the people tried to throw Him down from the brow of the hill [cliff] (Luke 4:29). In the temple they picked up stones to stone Him (John 8:59).
B. suffered great agony under Pontius Pilate; John 19:1-3 Pilate took Jesus and had Him flogged. The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on His head. The clothed Him in a purple robe and went up to Him again and again, saying, “Hail the king of the Jews!” And they struck Him in the face. Bible narrative: The suffering of Christ (Mark 15:1-20)
C. died in excruciating agony on the cross. John 19:16-18 Finally Pilate handed Him over to them to be crucified. So the soldiers took charge of Jesus. Carrying His own cross, He went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha). Here they crucified Him. Matt. 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice... “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” (He suffere the tortures of the damned in hell.) John 18:30 He bowed His head and have up His spirit. Bible narrative: The death of Christ (Mark 15:21-41).

What do the Scriptures teach about Chirst’s burial?
They teach that Christ’s body was buried in the tomb and remained there until the third day, without decaying in any way. Acts 13:37 The one whom God raised from the dead did not see decay. Bible narritive: The burial of Christ (Mark 15:42-47)

2. Good question! But I think THE BIBLE made it abundantly clear that Jesus suffered before he was murdered, and rose from the grave on the third day (actually only 2 days after the death, thus ‘on the third day’). Jesus, though free of sin, entered hell for that time. There he proclaimed victory over His enemies in hell. The death itself was the punishment. He did give His son. Jesus died after torture and crucifiction. I don’t think it’s fair to compare a person giving his or her child up for death with God giving His son. After all, they are imortal.

3. The ressurection. What do the Scriptures teach us about Christ’s resurrection? They teach that on the third day Christ victoriously rose from the grave and showed Himself alive to His disciples. Acts 10:40-41. Actually, you can read the rest of the Scriptures I list, my hands are getting tired. So, Acts 10:40-41, 1 Cor. 15:4-8, and Acts 1:3.

Why is Christ’s resurrection so important and comforting? Christs resurrection proves that:
A. Christ is the Son of God; Rom 1:4
B. His doctrine is the truth; John 2:19, and John 8:28
c. God the Father accepted Christ’s sacrafice for the reconciliation of the world; Rom. 4:25 and 5:10, 1 Cor. 15:17 and 15:20, and John 11:25-26 and 14:19

After Jesus Christ came back from death, he basically went back to His disciples. He met withy them and showed them His wounds. They were just as they were a few days before hand. Still normally fatal wounds, yet Jesus was alive! He proclaimed His final words to a number of believers, and then, 40 days after his resurrection, Christ, in the presence of His disciples, ascended bodily into the glory of His Father, to prepare a place for us in heaven. He litterally lifted off the ground and into heaven. I wish I was there.

What comfort do we get from Christ’s ascension to the right hand of God? We know that the exalted God-man, Christ
A. as our Prophet sends people to proclaim the saving Gospel by the power of the Holy Spirit; Eph 4:10-12, Luke 10:16, and John 16:7
B. as our Priest pleads and prays for us before the Father; Rom 8:34 and 1 John 2:1
C. as our King rules and protects His church and governs over all the world espically for the benefit of His church; Ps. 110:1

Lastly (I swear) What do the Scriptures teach about Christ’s second coming?
A. Christ will return visably and with great glory on the last day; Matt 24:27, Luke 21:27, Acts 1:11, 2 Peter 3:10, and Rev 1:7
B. Christ will return to judge the world, not to set up an earthly government; Matt 25:31-32, John 12:48 and 18:36, and 2 Cor. 5:10
Note: Milennialists teach the unscriptural doctrine that either before of after the return of Christ the church will experience a literal period of 1,000 years (a millennium) of peace and prosperity. Revelation 20 speaks in picture language of Christ’s spiritual rule on the earth through the Gospel and does not refer to earthly government.
C. Christ will return on a specific day known by God alone. At this point, getting tired of writing verses, ask me for verses if you want.
D. Before Christ returns, there will be increasing turmoil and distress for the church and the world.
E. The return of Christ is a source of hope and joy for the Christian.

I hope I answered your questions well enough. It was pretty much to the extent of my abilities, and energy.

09-02-2004, 09:19 PM	#18 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Okay original sin. This is really complicated, so if you don't care, read on. What is original sin? Original sin is that total corruption of our whole human nature which we have inherited from Adam through our parents. Psalms 51:5 I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. (NKJV) John 3:6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to the Spirit. Romans 5:12 Sinentered the world through one man, and death through original sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned. Ephesians 4:22 Put off, concerning your former conduct, the old man which grows corrupt according to the deceitful lusts. What has original sin done to human nature? Original sin : A. has brought guilt and condemnation to all people; Romans 5:19 Through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners. Epesians 2:3 Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath. B. has left everyone without true fear and love of God, that is, spiritually blind, dead, and enimies of God; Genesis 8:21 Every inclination of his [man’s] heart is evil from childhood. 1 Corinthians 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, an he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. Ephesians 2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins. Romans 8:7 The sinful mind is hostile to God. It cannot submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. C. causes everyone to commit actual sins. Matthew 7:17 Every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. Galations 5:19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discard, jelousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. What happened to Jesus? 1) If God would have simply said, “I forgive you”, then we’d all be a bunch of non sinning christian robots. Ultimately, God (probably) used His son in this way in order for us to understand his sympathy and love for us. What kind of supreme being would just forgive us for nothing? He needed us to understand that we were, by nature, breaking God’s rules. We sin. You sin, I sin. According to the bible the punishment for sin is death. Just death. That means hell. Eternal life was only given to those without sin, which were aprox. none of us. So God took pity on us, poor sinners. He showed us that He was a God of mercy and a just God. He sent His only Son to suffer for all mankind. All Jesus life on Earth, he was treated very badly. He was able to spread the Word, but the persecutaion and torture he recieved was considered the greatest in history. What does the Bible teach us about Christ’s life, suffering, and death? They teach that Christ: A. endured paverty, contempt, and persecution in His earthly life; 2 Corinthians 8:9 Thought He was rich, yet for your sakes He becamse poor, so that you through His poverty might become rich. Mathew 8:20 Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man [Jesus] has no place to lay His head. Isiah 53:3 He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces He was despised, and we esteemed Him not. John 8:40 You are determined to kill Me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Bible narrative: At His birth Jesus had only strips of cloth and a manger (Luke 2:7). Herod tried to murder Him, but He escaped to Egypt (Matt. 2:13). In Nazareth the people tried to throw Him down from the brow of the hill [cliff] (Luke 4:29). In the temple they picked up stones to stone Him (John 8:59). B. suffered great agony under Pontius Pilate; John 19:1-3 Pilate took Jesus and had Him flogged. The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on His head. The clothed Him in a purple robe and went up to Him again and again, saying, “Hail the king of the Jews!” And they struck Him in the face. Bible narrative: The suffering of Christ (Mark 15:1-20) C. died in excruciating agony on the cross. John 19:16-18 Finally Pilate handed Him over to them to be crucified. So the soldiers took charge of Jesus. Carrying His own cross, He went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha). Here they crucified Him. Matt. 27:46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice... “My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?” (He suffere the tortures of the damned in hell.) John 18:30 He bowed His head and have up His spirit. Bible narrative: The death of Christ (Mark 15:21-41). What do the Scriptures teach about Chirst’s burial? They teach that Christ’s body was buried in the tomb and remained there until the third day, without decaying in any way. Acts 13:37 The one whom God raised from the dead did not see decay. Bible narritive: The burial of Christ (Mark 15:42-47) 2. Good question! But I think THE BIBLE made it abundantly clear that Jesus suffered before he was murdered, and rose from the grave on the third day (actually only 2 days after the death, thus ‘on the third day’). Jesus, though free of sin, entered hell for that time. There he proclaimed victory over His enemies in hell. The death itself was the punishment. He did give His son. Jesus died after torture and crucifiction. I don’t think it’s fair to compare a person giving his or her child up for death with God giving His son. After all, they are imortal. 3. The ressurection. What do the Scriptures teach us about Christ’s resurrection? They teach that on the third day Christ victoriously rose from the grave and showed Himself alive to His disciples. Acts 10:40-41. Actually, you can read the rest of the Scriptures I list, my hands are getting tired. So, Acts 10:40-41, 1 Cor. 15:4-8, and Acts 1:3. Why is Christ’s resurrection so important and comforting? Christs resurrection proves that: A. Christ is the Son of God; Rom 1:4 B. His doctrine is the truth; John 2:19, and John 8:28 c. God the Father accepted Christ’s sacrafice for the reconciliation of the world; Rom. 4:25 and 5:10, 1 Cor. 15:17 and 15:20, and John 11:25-26 and 14:19 After Jesus Christ came back from death, he basically went back to His disciples. He met withy them and showed them His wounds. They were just as they were a few days before hand. Still normally fatal wounds, yet Jesus was alive! He proclaimed His final words to a number of believers, and then, 40 days after his resurrection, Christ, in the presence of His disciples, ascended bodily into the glory of His Father, to prepare a place for us in heaven. He litterally lifted off the ground and into heaven. I wish I was there. What comfort do we get from Christ’s ascension to the right hand of God? We know that the exalted God-man, Christ A. as our Prophet sends people to proclaim the saving Gospel by the power of the Holy Spirit; Eph 4:10-12, Luke 10:16, and John 16:7 B. as our Priest pleads and prays for us before the Father; Rom 8:34 and 1 John 2:1 C. as our King rules and protects His church and governs over all the world espically for the benefit of His church; Ps. 110:1 Lastly (I swear) What do the Scriptures teach about Christ’s second coming? A. Christ will return visably and with great glory on the last day; Matt 24:27, Luke 21:27, Acts 1:11, 2 Peter 3:10, and Rev 1:7 B. Christ will return to judge the world, not to set up an earthly government; Matt 25:31-32, John 12:48 and 18:36, and 2 Cor. 5:10 Note: Milennialists teach the unscriptural doctrine that either before of after the return of Christ the church will experience a literal period of 1,000 years (a millennium) of peace and prosperity. Revelation 20 speaks in picture language of Christ’s spiritual rule on the earth through the Gospel and does not refer to earthly government. C. Christ will return on a specific day known by God alone. At this point, getting tired of writing verses, ask me for verses if you want. D. Before Christ returns, there will be increasing turmoil and distress for the church and the world. E. The return of Christ is a source of hope and joy for the Christian. I hope I answered your questions well enough. It was pretty much to the extent of my abilities, and energy.