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roachboy · 09-02-2004, 04:39 PM

seaver:

seriously, i could rattle on here about it, but the best way to check this out is to read some of le pen or megret. i'll poke around a bit and see if i can find stuff in english (unless you read french, in which case it's easier)--if i find stuff online, i'll post links.

as for the bush remark above: i noted in the previous post that bush has not said this and i assumed it was a function of actually having a position of power--but that the supporters in the christian right have no such qualms. and i have heard enough commentary from this segment of the right that seems to think that saying this kind of thiing (from the founding fathers being xtian through to the critique of "secularism" to the routine racist nonsense you read and hear about islam) is consistent with bush's beliefs. in this case, i simply take those claims as more accurate than i would be able to be, were i to try to suss out what exactly bush believes or does not believe.

the fn is a minority party in france, and so far has not got close to being in a position of power, so their language does not have to moderate.

the deeper parallels have to do with their conceptions of the nation. both are in line with the glorious history of radical nationalism. this is why i was thinking it would be simplest to read some le pen.

searching for le pen makes me feel like i will be putting myself behind an exhaust pipe--i dont know why, really--i read a fair amount of american right and far right nutcase writings...but there we are.

09-02-2004, 04:39 PM	#34 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Location: essex ma	seaver: seriously, i could rattle on here about it, but the best way to check this out is to read some of le pen or megret. i'll poke around a bit and see if i can find stuff in english (unless you read french, in which case it's easier)--if i find stuff online, i'll post links. as for the bush remark above: i noted in the previous post that bush has not said this and i assumed it was a function of actually having a position of power--but that the supporters in the christian right have no such qualms. and i have heard enough commentary from this segment of the right that seems to think that saying this kind of thiing (from the founding fathers being xtian through to the critique of "secularism" to the routine racist nonsense you read and hear about islam) is consistent with bush's beliefs. in this case, i simply take those claims as more accurate than i would be able to be, were i to try to suss out what exactly bush believes or does not believe. the fn is a minority party in france, and so far has not got close to being in a position of power, so their language does not have to moderate. the deeper parallels have to do with their conceptions of the nation. both are in line with the glorious history of radical nationalism. this is why i was thinking it would be simplest to read some le pen. searching for le pen makes me feel like i will be putting myself behind an exhaust pipe--i dont know why, really--i read a fair amount of american right and far right nutcase writings...but there we are. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite Last edited by roachboy; 09-02-2004 at 04:42 PM..