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pocon1 · 09-02-2004, 04:26 PM

Willravel, prepare to read a variety of cogent arguments that I believe will disassemble this tissue paper theory. I have spent the last several hours doing yardwork and noodling through the various discussions on this page. Here are the results. Enjoy

Fallacies of the video.

1. no wreckage. Fire is hot. Aluminum does not handle heat well. Planes are made of aluminum. Stuff a plane into a building made of cinderblock, brick, and steel, and follow it with a lot of jet fuel. The building acts as an oven, concentrating the heat. Most of the wreckage is thereby consumed in the pentagon oven.
2. “sounded like a missile". According to the flash page, some witnesses said it sounded like a missile. FAA says the plane was traveling at 530 miles per hour, several hundred feet off the ground. Doppler effect would dictate that when a person actually heard the plane from less than a thousand yards away, the sound would be a shriek. I mean, who has really heard a jet flying at 530 mph? From a few hundred yards away? So it is a sound few have actually heard. Also, the sound would taper off to a jet rumble, except that it was cut off when the plane entered the pentagon.
3. The security camera images. I do not know about this camera, but many cameras take pics every second or two. Now if the plane were traveling at 530 mph, it would cover 277 ft per second. The plane itself is only 155 feet long (JANE’S). Theoretically, it could have come in between video snaps. This also depends on the amount of space covered by the camera. Either way, any image would probably be very blurry. Also, was this camera recording digitally or direct to video? Because if I understand right, a digital image can get pretty obscured if the image changes quickly and dramatically.
4. The power of the nosecone. Someone (I forget who) suggested that a nosecone could not puncture through several walls. I think it could, if the plane was traveling at 530 mph. I have heard stories of pieces of straw imbedded in telephone poles during 600 mph winds from tornadoes. I have seen lead bullets punch through wood, when you could not hammer that lead through the wood. I have seen people break bricks with their bare hands and a fast enough karate chop. I think a plane traveling that speed could punch neatly through a wall.

One more point I would like to make is that many of you people actually have more faith in the federal govt than I do. You believe that the feds are capable of killing thousands of people (including the WTC) hushing hundreds of witnesses, quieting hundreds of firefighters, law enforcement officials, and military officials, and doing it all with a straight face. All to start attacking islam and the middle east. In other words, Bush went from being a drunk frat boy cheerleader whose family name got him into and through college, who shirked his military duty, and he has know turned into this devious mastermind capable of killing thousands of his own people? This is the same government that cannot control iraq, that couldn’t kill castro, etc… See, us Americans are not very subtle. This does not mean capable, but certainly not subtle. Instead of arranging a coup in Iraq, we blow everything to hell. We smash Afghanistan. We reject the Kyoto accords instead of working to a compromise. Even our last sex scandal involved an intern and a freakin’ cigar. At least Kennedy had a movie star. I don’t think our leaders are capable of doing something this devious and sophisticated. Thank you for your time.

09-02-2004, 04:26 PM	#51 (permalink)
pocon1 Banned	Willravel, prepare to read a variety of cogent arguments that I believe will disassemble this tissue paper theory. I have spent the last several hours doing yardwork and noodling through the various discussions on this page. Here are the results. Enjoy Fallacies of the video. 1. no wreckage. Fire is hot. Aluminum does not handle heat well. Planes are made of aluminum. Stuff a plane into a building made of cinderblock, brick, and steel, and follow it with a lot of jet fuel. The building acts as an oven, concentrating the heat. Most of the wreckage is thereby consumed in the pentagon oven. 2. “sounded like a missile". According to the flash page, some witnesses said it sounded like a missile. FAA says the plane was traveling at 530 miles per hour, several hundred feet off the ground. Doppler effect would dictate that when a person actually heard the plane from less than a thousand yards away, the sound would be a shriek. I mean, who has really heard a jet flying at 530 mph? From a few hundred yards away? So it is a sound few have actually heard. Also, the sound would taper off to a jet rumble, except that it was cut off when the plane entered the pentagon. 3. The security camera images. I do not know about this camera, but many cameras take pics every second or two. Now if the plane were traveling at 530 mph, it would cover 277 ft per second. The plane itself is only 155 feet long (JANE’S). Theoretically, it could have come in between video snaps. This also depends on the amount of space covered by the camera. Either way, any image would probably be very blurry. Also, was this camera recording digitally or direct to video? Because if I understand right, a digital image can get pretty obscured if the image changes quickly and dramatically. 4. The power of the nosecone. Someone (I forget who) suggested that a nosecone could not puncture through several walls. I think it could, if the plane was traveling at 530 mph. I have heard stories of pieces of straw imbedded in telephone poles during 600 mph winds from tornadoes. I have seen lead bullets punch through wood, when you could not hammer that lead through the wood. I have seen people break bricks with their bare hands and a fast enough karate chop. I think a plane traveling that speed could punch neatly through a wall. One more point I would like to make is that many of you people actually have more faith in the federal govt than I do. You believe that the feds are capable of killing thousands of people (including the WTC) hushing hundreds of witnesses, quieting hundreds of firefighters, law enforcement officials, and military officials, and doing it all with a straight face. All to start attacking islam and the middle east. In other words, Bush went from being a drunk frat boy cheerleader whose family name got him into and through college, who shirked his military duty, and he has know turned into this devious mastermind capable of killing thousands of his own people? This is the same government that cannot control iraq, that couldn’t kill castro, etc… See, us Americans are not very subtle. This does not mean capable, but certainly not subtle. Instead of arranging a coup in Iraq, we blow everything to hell. We smash Afghanistan. We reject the Kyoto accords instead of working to a compromise. Even our last sex scandal involved an intern and a freakin’ cigar. At least Kennedy had a movie star. I don’t think our leaders are capable of doing something this devious and sophisticated. Thank you for your time.