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Old 09-02-2004, 12:23 PM   #30 (permalink)
Mephisto2
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Originally Posted by archer2371
I think that you fail to understand the American mindset at the same time however. The point is that we would try, because it's the right thing to do. Those guys in the HRT would do it without question to their superiors, even if the guy in there was wired to a nuke. The point is that they have a plan for everything and they train for it. Sure, we may not have as much in-the-field experience as other countries, but sometimes that just doesn't mean jack shit. The 1980 situation was a debacle, but the American Military just doesn't fuck up like that twice, and we have learned from it.
COUGH

What about the Navy SEALs disasterous assault on Patilla Airfield? 5 SEALs killed, 8 seriously wounded, retreat, ignominy, failure.

I'm not knocking anyone, but don't be so sure you're teams are always right or the best.

You'll hate me saying this, but even the lauded SpecOps action depicted in BlackHawk Down is evidence of a fuck-up, poor planning and unnecessary deaths. Even more would have been experienced if the Pakistani UN troops had not arrived to bail your Delta Force guys out.

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That operation resulted in the creation of the 161st SOAR Night Stalkers, and the need for better training was never more evident, so everyone in federal law enforcement and the military stepped it up so that they would have a response to this kind of situation. I know it's not the same as the Russian situation, but I guarantee you that we would try to save those children and take down the bad guys, no ifs ands or buts.
I'm not arguing against that. I'm quite certain, in fact, that you would do your utmost to save them. I'm just posing a hypothetical question to show that this kind of terrorist hostage situation is very complex and not easy to resolve. I'm not specifically "attacking" US Forces or American tactics.

Mr Mephisto

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