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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Have you learned nothing from the last four years?
1) Geographically, what the fuck does that have to do with anything.
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First of all, there's no need to descend into profanities and start cursing. Any chance of a reasonable discussion is reduced by this.
Secondly, geography has
EVERYTHING to do with possibilities of the "reality [being] similar to that of Israel" (direct quote). Israel is physically surrounded by old and current enemies. Its terroritory has been invaded several times (and it has invaded its neighbours also). The United States will
never be in a situation anywhere close to that of Israel.
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The fact that there is a massive influx of Arab/Muslims in the United States and even more so in Europe makes your comment obsolete(sp), they are already here (not saying all Arab/Muslims/whatevers are bad, just that the 9/11 terrorists were sleepers).
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Massive influx? What on Earth do you mean? Do you want closed borders? Do you want to intern all "enemy nationals" like what the US did to Japanese in WWII? What's your point? Your kind of knee-jerk reaction is playing into the hands of the terrorists in the first place. They will never have any chance of defeating the US militarily, so they must negatively impact/damage/destroy your way of life... by creating "terror"..
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It doesn't matter that we aren't in the Middle East and smack dab in the middle of a snake pit if the those fuckers are already here.
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"Those fuckers"? That's verging on racism, so I'm not even going to go there...
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2. Yes, Ideally a foreign policy that wouldn't foster or give rise to bad guys would nice, but that doesn't mean that we should appease the terrorists now. It's not as simple as stopping aid to Israel or removing troops from Saudi Arabia.
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Appeasing terrorists? What on Earth are you talking about? Certainly persue and prosecute appropriate actions against terrorists. When did I say otherwise?
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3. Kill them with kindness? Man o man you can't be serious.
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That's not what I said or meant, so you're off base to begin with.
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Besides the fact that this current jihad is being perpetuated by the Islamic wealthy and elite, those who control power, how do you purpose to show them the alternative? Besides the fact that most Arab/Muslims live under abhorrent corrupt regimes which control every aspect of life for the lower people, it can't be done.
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So you believe this "jihad" (as you inaccurately call it) is perpetuated by the elite and not fundamentalist reactionaries? Well then, if that's the case, why don't you call for all out war against
all "islamofascist" countries? Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, UAE, Indonesia etc etc?
Get real.
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It's pretty tough to kill someone with kindness when they would murder you just on the basis that you are a) American b) Muslim c) the white devil , I don't like your prospects of that.
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More racism. I personally know several "white American" muslims, but that's another matter entirely.
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You are dealing with a group of people who don't have the same reasonable mindset as you, or even as reasonable as someone like myself. Just look at the differents in cultures, look at the difference in philosophies. No respect for the individual, it's all about Allah, women are second class citizens, kill or be killed. All these clowns understand, all that will stop them is two in the chest and one in the head. They can't be bargained with because guess what, this war isn't about concessions to them, it's about our destruction, and it's really fucking tough to bargain or try and be even slightly reasonable with people who carry that mindset.
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I think you're descending to the same level of "unreasonableness" we both agree the fundamentalists display.
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Ghandi was all about peace and non-violence, but even he realized it's not universally applicable.
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Reference?
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Some times you have to grow a sack and kick some ass.
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And look where it's got you.
It's got nothing to do with killing people with kindness. It's got to do with a friendly (as oppose to provocative) foreign policy, abandoning unilateralism, fostering democracy and trade, respect for other cultures and the long term view.
THAT'S what won the Cold War. Or do you think Reagan (the Poster Child of the Republican Right) killed the Soviets with kindness?
Sheesh...
Mr Mephisto