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hammer4all, thanks for the info. she still isn't in the same league as the ones listed in the poll from the perspective i'm approaching it from, but your point is well-taken and i've learned something about democracy now in the process.
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If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
~ Winston Churchill
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