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Originally Posted by Rekna
I love how many of you taut science as proff that god doesn't exist until it points to a good possibility of something else then all the sudden it is meaningless.
Realize it wasn't religious fanatics that found and pushed Phi it was hardcore mathematicians many of whom don't/didn't believe in god.
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I did not say that science proves or disproves god. It does neither. On a gut level, I actually tend to think that some things in science (physics actually) give evidence of a god, but I don't expect anyone else to believe that. It's not a rigorous argument. Anyways, a large part of science is being critical of the evidence you're given. It is not science per se to just present some measurements, even though they may be accurate.
Mathematicians (a long time ago) found Phi to be an interesting number *mathematically*. They did not push all of these things with biology. If you'll notice, the mathworld site made no mention of any amazing coincidences. It just quoted some cute formulae.
The sunflower connection has to do with the optimal way of packing seeds if I remember right. So a sunflower evolved an efficient configuration. Organisms are filled with optimizations. As I said in my previous post, some geometric optimizations automatically involve phi. This is nothing profound. If there is a good reason for something to be of an optimal shape in biology, it usually is.
If you have any experience with calculus, then you'll realize that finding optimal shapes is not that hard. With some computer programming experience, you'll find that it's also easy to do by biased chance (pick random things, and keep the ones that work better).