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Old 08-25-2004, 07:41 PM   #62 (permalink)
wilbjammin
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Originally Posted by Stompy
Even if porn was ILLEGAL, this type of thing would still happen. It's not the porn that's causing these types of "problems" as much as it is bad parenting or schools not giving younger kids the proper education.
You seem to have completely ignored a statement of mine. Again, I said:

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Looking at porn as a cause or a symptom is irrelevant, because it is a mutually enforcing variable.
I did not call porn a cause of those problems. Additionally, this isn't an issue of legality. My quotes showed you exactly how alienated we can be, and how porn can be a variable in this. The reason that I provided that example was precisely to show that the negative effects of porn can be immediately seen in some circumstances.

Remember that I started my response to by addressing what you said about being able to have sex without emotions. From your response to mine, I think you really have no answer to what I've framed as the problem of alienation caused by the attempt to seperate mind from body which is encouraged by porn. Perhaps you don't see it, and that's fine. My hope was for you to try to think about these things from another angle. As I see it, you continue to reiterate the dominant view and I understand what you're saying, but I think you're actually missing the bigger picture.

I understand that viewing porn is a personal choice. I understand that from your view of morality that there is no reason to base moral decisions on the mores of society. I understand that there is a scope of how severe things can be, and that things affect people differently.

As for a cultural identity - porn and sex in the media are factors that have helped change the direction of cultural consciousness. One cannot ignore the cultural atmosphere in which they live. One can either embrace them, rebel against them, or mindlessly follow them. We are left with the questions of "why?", "what do we lose or gain with each choice?", and "what can I realistically do?"

I consider sex without emotions as either an impossibility, or an incredibly alienating experience. I think our definitions of respect are different.

I see alienation as the dominant reality of our times, and my battle is in fighting that - rather than for the myth of ultimate personal interpretation.
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