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for the sake of the thread staying on topic, can we please stop trolling about the iraq war? there are plenty of threads where that issue takes center stage... i'd like to keep this one about domestic issues.
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If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
~ Winston Churchill
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